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<title>polly styrene commented on &quot;Excuse me while I have a little rant...&quot;</title>
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<![CDATA[<a title="http://www.pollystyrene.wordpress.com" href="http://www.pollystyrene.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">polly styrene</a> said: Christian:

I&apos;m white. If I was to convincingly alter my appearance so that I appeared black, I may be able to experience some of what being on the receiving end of racist behaviour feels like. 

HOWEVER, I have still lived my entire life with white privilege, and that is what I have internalised. So I wouldn&apos;t understand how BME people experience racism at all. Because that has been their lifetime experience. 

Women and girls, from birth, learn to live with the constant, unspoken threat of male sexual violence. One day, or week, or month of having the tables turned, when they know they can return to male privilege in the &apos;real world&apos;, won&apos;t give a man an idea of what women experience. 

And that is completely ignoring the fact that what most actual straight men would do in your imaginary gay club situation isn&apos;t to feel objectified, but to react aggressively. ]]>
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<title>Hannah commented on &quot;Internship Opportunities at Refuge&quot;</title>
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<![CDATA[Hannah said: Argh, internships! Free labour. As if people haven&apos;t racked up enough debt at uni, to be told they must also be experienced before gaining employment, so must gain said experience for free. This is a form of inter-generational slavery and I do not approve!]]>
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<title>Laura Woodhouse commented on &quot;Excuse me while I have a little rant...&quot;</title>
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<![CDATA[<a title="http://www.thefword.org.uk/blog" href="http://www.thefword.org.uk/blog">Laura Woodhouse</a> said: Just to let everyone know: I&apos;m on holiday for the next ten days, so won&apos;t be able to reply to any comments. Holly will be moderating comments in the meantime. Cheers.]]>
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<title>Jack Leland commented on &quot;Excuse me while I have a little rant...&quot;</title>
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<![CDATA[Jack Leland said: @ Christian

1. I agree that subjecting more hetero-normative, patriarchal men to the objectifying, deriding and/or sexually threatening gaze or behavior by women would push toward equality.  I doubt we can predict what percentage of that population would have to be exposed to “the feeling of threat” from women, but I disagree about using the LGBT community as an instrument of straight female advancement. (I know that is not what you mean, so I withdraw my objection.) I do agree with you, on an individual basis, about how effective the technique is. Though I disagree with your conclusion: because we cannot predict what portion of the male population ought to be shocked, as many as possible should be shocked.  Civil rights leaders in the Sixties in the US did not limit the exposure of their marches for justice simply for the purpose of efficiency. 

@ Laura


1. I agree that power dynamics between men and women that need to be reset are those between real people in real life, not just a battle between imagery in porn.  But the visual battle matters, as you seem to acknowledge in your post: images affect social norms and behavior.  To have a culture where women are free to be dominant and sadistic and get off on mansubs, as you put it, perhaps there needs to be normalization of it in media just as there is a normalization of the reverse: Vegas is in every bachelor party movie and women are often portrayed as performing for and possessed by men at ease, usually for petty cash.  Perhaps inundating men with images of the reverse would open their minds to the female gaze and tame the belief that being got off on or objectified by an assertive woman or exposed to “the feeling of threat” by women in real life is emasculating. Perhaps the thought process should be “my objectification empowers women and promotes equality”.

2. As for Bitchy Jones, I understand her argument about images of dominant women in the media reflecting male fantasies and purchasing power, rather than female sadism toward men or female empowerment in the form of promoting the female gaze. I think she takes her Marxist critique too far, though: it discounts her own popularity and oversimplifies the views of men. Men are not mindless sex addicts; men also have anxieties and fears. It is just as likely that many men buy into safe images of dominant women as analgesic to the rise of women in the economic and political sphere.  It is not surprising that powerful female politicians are depicted as sex objects. One interpretation is that the icon of a dominatrix is disempowering.  The other is that sex is already wound up with power, and men are expressing their irrational fear. So while Bitchy is correct that a lot of the porn images are commercialized corporate product for male credit cards, that only explains the supply side, not the demand side. (It also ignores the proliferation of women’s grassroots sites of her nature that existed prior to the Communications Decency Act (CDA) of 1996 and the Child Online Protection Act (COPA) of 1998; under the guise of protecting children, the United States Congress increased the cost of putting sexual images online, thus creating a market where before there was only community.)  

So, in a sense, I agree with you. The images that you get are real (women posting pictures of what they do in their private lives with other people) without regulation; with regulation you get corporations paying models to pose as sex objects.  But in both cases the free pictures and the commercial product, the demand amongst the male population is, at least, the same. (If anything, commercializing sex promotes it.)  The variability in the quality of the supply (from pro-feminist to antifeminist) does not negatively change the demand side. You could very easily promote the right kind of discourse in the product, then.  And it does in fact occur. Bitchy often attacks the prevalence of the strap-on in femdom porn as reflective of male desire (what woman wants that? It doesn’t please her?) but she ignores that for a lot of other people that symbolizes ultimate emasculation and strikes right at their conception of hetero-normativity and patriarchy, not to mention visually deconstructs gender.  There is a common misconception that radical feminism and BDSM are related, and the prevalence of such porn is perhaps why.  But it certainly not a ridiculous claim that Judith Butler’s notion of gender as a performance is being demonstrated in porn depicting women “acting like men” (penetrating) and men “acting like women” (being penetrated). I am not a sociologist, but I imagine that men who watch this kind of porn are far more likely to be open to certain kinds of feminist discourse than others. Indeed, to understand Bitchy’s critique, you need to have seen these very images.  Clearly, they are having an impact on people, on the culture, and on feminism. The demand for authentic female empowerment has increased, both in the female and male populations.]]>
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<title>Lucy commented on &quot;Excuse me while I have a little rant...&quot;</title>
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<![CDATA[Lucy said: I like this post as it expresses alot of my frustrations about how men i know can&apos;t conceive of growing up in a world where the vast majority of puplic figures and role models throughout history and at present are of the opposite gender.

i do however think that we need to look at the issue as a complex one and less black and white, and realise steriotypes and societal influence on both genders. an extremely good male friend of mine is very skinny and i know that he feels his body isn&apos;t up to much when compared to the macho ideals of a man&apos;s body.

i thinks its good to appreaciate preasures experienced from all fractions of society, and maybe this way we won&apos;t feel so alienated. 

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<title>David Kames commented on &quot;Most conventionally-attractive female players scheduled for centre court, admits Wimbledon&quot;</title>
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<![CDATA[David Kames said: @Sal Aw Thank you, you&apos;re very chivalrous.

More general question that I hope wont be called de-railing:
It&apos;s not just &quot;that&apos;s business&quot; of course - but &quot;that&apos;s sexism.&quot;  If we are trying to end the creeping sexualisation that makes every part of life into a beauty pageant, and all the other evils of patriarchy - do we want to attack/change the structure in one go, or do we want to make small changes - like improving the coverage of women&apos;s sport, and preventing/reversing the sexualisation of it?
are we Spartacists or Social Democrats?     

@Melanie - I do understand where your objection is coming from (or I think I do.) In all seriousness, I too fear that I am getting onto the thin end of the wedge that leads to veils and blaming rape-victims because they wore mini-skirts - I&apos;m not sure what my defence of the idea could be, except that I don&apos;t ask for women players to cover more flesh than the men, only the same amount. 
I&apos;d also wonder why there seems to be more sexualisation of women in tennis than in other sports - I&apos;m happy to admit that this might not be the case, but (leaving beach volley ball aside) I&apos;d put this down to two factors 
1.Top class tennis players can still maintain a conventionally attractive body shape (contrast with athletics stars - if we can do it without unnecessary objectification) and
2. the very short skirts/dresses and the resultant constant knickers flashing (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gertrude_Moran) which attract a certain &quot;dirty old (and not so old) man&quot; audience and attitude to women&apos;s tennis.
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<title>Rebecca commented on &quot;Beware the &quot;Look&quot; Policy at Abercrombie &amp; Fitch&quot;</title>
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<![CDATA[Rebecca said: This is absolutely ridiculous! How can they send her to a stockroom just because of a prosthetic arm she clearly an attractive girl so if they hired her based on attractivness they completely wasted their time. I hope she cleans the floor with them]]>
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<title>Sarah commented on &quot;Internship Opportunities at Refuge&quot;</title>
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<![CDATA[Sarah said: I actually read that differently - not as saying a degree was required, rather that this would be a suitable position for a new graduate, not necessarily someone with previous experience of such work. Internships are generally positions aimed at university students and recent graduates, and are a popular way of gaining the kind of experience and training that you don&apos;t get in the classroom.  I think if they meant &apos;degree required&apos;, they would have said so.

And even if they did mean that, it only applies to this particular position -  there are plenty of other opportunities in the world, and probably within this organisation, for &apos;helping people&apos;.  ]]>
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<title>Rosa commented on &quot;Excuse me while I have a little rant...&quot;</title>
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<![CDATA[Rosa said: &quot;Can&apos;t I just cast my vote for &quot;women shouldn&apos;t be abuse, harassed and commodified&quot; and skip the re-education?&quot;

Sure, if you want to be that absent minded about it.

Most people I know would cast a vote for, say, not being racist but that doesn&apos;t make racism go away. It doesn&apos;t make you a better person. Re-education does, and an educated vote is worth far more than an ignorant one.

Honestly it seems like you&apos;re missing the point of Laura&apos;s rant and your comment comes off as more than a little patronizing. Laura&apos;s post wasn&apos;t about &quot;bad men&quot; it was about normal men - men she liked - who casts their votes, &quot;skip the re-education&quot; and as a consequence everything stays the same and nothing gets better because no one learns anything.

If you&apos;re really asking that question, go back and read her post again and there&apos;s your answer.]]>
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<title>Karen commented on &quot;Excuse me while I have a little rant...&quot;</title>
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<![CDATA[Karen said: Hi Lisa, yes I know that the wallybrains I mentioned are not open minded enough to even think about feminism but does that mean I shouldnt be allowed to say anything? I went to the area manager yesterday because a copy of the daily sport had been left in the canteen and it is against company policy to have any form of pornography in the work place. The manager in question is a good bloke, ex-royal navy and straight away saw the point that I was making and agreed that it was valid. There will now be discussions about this at the next managers meeting. Also, the area manager went to the same site that I visited where the joy-of-sex thailand style was being discussed and said that they seemed like a bunch of jack-the-lads and didnt seem surprised when I said that I had already had a run-in with them. My point is that I complained because I thought &quot;no, why should I stay quiet on this, it&apos;s insulting, it&apos;s breaking the rules and if I dont say something, the problem will still be there tomorrow&quot; So yes, even if you are presented with knuckle-draggers of the first order, you have the right to challenge their views. It&apos;s one of the few rights we still just about have.]]>
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<title>Victoria commented on &quot;Internship Opportunities at Refuge&quot;</title>
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<![CDATA[Victoria said: I don&apos;t think that&apos;s what they&apos;re saying. I think they&apos;re saying that these particular posts require graduate-level skills. I was not eligible to apply for promotion at the charity where I work because I&apos;m not qualified to the right level. My employers weren&apos;t saying that I couldn&apos;t help people, just that they needed somebody with a particular set of skills to do this specific job.That doesn&apos;t mean that people without degrees are &apos;unworthy&apos; of helping people.]]>
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<title>Laura Woodhouse commented on &quot;Round-up!&quot;</title>
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<![CDATA[<a title="http://www.thefword.org.uk/blog" href="http://www.thefword.org.uk/blog">Laura Woodhouse</a> said: Thanks for the link to Charlotte Cooper&apos;s blog, fascinating reading!]]>
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<title>Sal commented on &quot;Most conventionally-attractive female players scheduled for centre court, admits Wimbledon&quot;</title>
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<![CDATA[Sal said: No, there is no imminent sign of revolution. But he makes other useful and practical suggestions, one being to change the women&apos;s outfits. And then he gets criticised for that too...

Plus, the &apos;that&apos;s business&apos; line as he puts it doesn&apos;t sound like &apos;that&apos;s business, deal with it&apos;, but more like &apos;yes, that&apos;s business and it&apos;s wrong&apos;. ]]>
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<title>Jess McCabe commented on &quot;Round-up!&quot;</title>
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<![CDATA[<a title="http://sugarcrash.co.uk/" href="http://sugarcrash.co.uk/">Jess McCabe</a> said: Best evidence suggests is that the false report rate for rape is around 2-8%, in line with other types of crime. 

A tiny number of people do lie, that&apos;s bad. However, the rape conviction rate is 6% in England and Wales and lower in Scotland. And only a tiny proportion of rapes are actually even reported to the police. Given that in the current situation it&apos;s incredibly unlikely for rapists to even end up in court, and then if they do, to get convicted, then it seems perverse to start convicting people who the police believe are falsely reporting rape. ]]>
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<![CDATA[<a title="http://sugarcrash.co.uk/" href="http://sugarcrash.co.uk/">Jess McCabe</a> said: @Sal I don&apos;t think anyone&apos;s really attacking David, personally.

It&apos;s just somewhat frustrating when you point out some incidence of sexism or discrimination or whatever, and there&apos;s always the inevitable &quot;ah, that&apos;s business for you&quot;, &quot;they&apos;re doing it because it makes money&quot;, comments.

I&apos;m sympathetic to David&apos;s critiques of the capitalist system, but agree that given that there&apos;s no imminent signs of a revolution, more interested in what can be done now to address the situation.

I also don&apos;t agree that capitalism has to be dismantled before this situation can be addressed at all - women pay their license fee to the BBC too, and play and watch tennis. The market economy is relegating women&apos;s tennis to the status of eye-candy in response to the sexism of the individuals making decisions, their perceptions of sexism of the audience and actual sexism of the audience. Also, neither the tennis club nor the BBC are (theoretically) commercially-driven organisations, they both will have in their charters other commitments, so there&apos;s even more room to challenge their decision-making.

There&apos;s plenty of leverage for change, such as through David&apos;s and Lisa&apos;s suggestions of actually watching women&apos;s sports and turning off men&apos;s sports, lobbying for the same uniforms regardless of sex, playing sport ourselves, writing into the BBC.]]>
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<title>Lisa L commented on &quot;Round-up!&quot;</title>
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<![CDATA[Lisa L said: Of course not - but don&apos;t you think that those who lie (which I am fully prepared to believe are the VAST minority) are metaphorically spitting in the face of those who have had to face the horrendous ordeal of actually being rape victims?]]>
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<![CDATA[Sal said: I&apos;m broadly in agreement with David Kames&apos; overall point of view. I don&apos;t think he&apos;s apologizing for the way things are, but more saying that, if this is how the capitalist economy treats women and their appearance, what practical changes can be made to change things? 
Please can we stop attacking him? It&apos;s coming across to me like it&apos;s just because he&apos;s male, and I don&apos;t think this is helpful.]]>
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<![CDATA[Lisa L said: Hang on, let me get this straight... you think its horrendous that people who lie about having been raped are given criminal convictions?]]>
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<![CDATA[Christian said: Indeed, I have to say that Kath&apos;s perception of my viewpoint as a thought experiment is fairly accurate. 
In regards to Louise&apos;s insightful and vastly more articulate retort to my words: I&apos;m not suggesting that all gay bars are uniformly leather fashion-centric (or is any one set perspective). I simply use the setting that *could* be more conducive to recreating the feeling of threat that an under-dressed female in a social context is subjected to.

Inherent violence in the gaze or not is not really the issue I sought to underline. Where I live, violent sexual behavior, in proportion, is not less common in the LGBT community as the heteronormative one; would it be different if every single victim spoke out? I don&apos;t know, but I sure wish everyone did, for one. I trust that the gaze itself, as I felt before, is threatening or enlightening enough in itself to trigger a reaction, an epiphany of sorts.

In an ideal world, I believe it&apos;s a theory that should be presented but never acted upon. In this example I presented (for those late comers: sexy up a straight man and take him to a gay bar to &quot;feel&quot; the gaze and its inherent threatening factor), once you take out the dualism of the sexes as well as the individual battles and idiosyncracies of the LGBT community, a potentially powerful learning tool could be brought to bear on an otherwise heteronormative, patriarcal mind.
(Yes, I am a fan of Donna Haraway&apos;s &apos;Cyborg Manifesto&apos;, in case anyone wonders).
I don&apos;t advocate doing just that, mind you... But one might imagine that once you take out the &quot;buts&quot; and the &quot;what ifs&quot; of the equation, you could recreate, at its core, a feeling somewhat similar to what women go through everyday. It&apos;ll never be the exact same thing, but then again, you cannot make a male female overnight, either. It will never be the same thing, but you might accomplish an approximation of it.

I know I&apos;m not the first person ever to bring this up, but... Can a straight adult man, once exposed to an objectifying, deriding or sexually threatening gaze or behavior, connect the dots (or be helped in connecting the dots) and draw for himself a revealing parallel to the battles and problems women face daily? In truth, I say yes. Because I am a man, and I lived this, and it was like an arrow was shot through my heart. I never saw myself as a threat and never felt I acted violently or threateningly towards women in my life, but in a handful of encounters, my life was gradually changed.
Can we hope that other men realize the same and start changing their ways without having to shock them into doing it? Why, of course we can hope. We can even help them along. That&apos;s the very least we can do.]]>
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<![CDATA[<a title="http://sugarcrash.co.uk/" href="http://sugarcrash.co.uk/">Jess McCabe</a> said: @Pacian I think it&apos;s pretty clear from my post I agree that &quot;interactive media&quot; has a lot of potential. Games are just another form of media. ]]>
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<![CDATA[David Kames said: @Melanie 
&gt;Why is it women&apos;s responsibility not to be too sexy before they are &quot;taken seriously&quot;? 

Well obviously you should be able to jump up and down in your very very short dress and tight white underpants and still be taken seriously as a human being - and not pitted against your fellow women in a beauty competition:
BUT knowing the culture and economy that we live in, how likely do you think that is?

It&apos;s a simple top-of-my head suggestion - I don&apos;t claim it&apos;s morally perfect (I don&apos;t like the implications of it very much either) but hey, at least it could remove some of the overt sexualisation of women&apos;s tennis.]]>
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<![CDATA[Sherry said: Thank you, Laura, for writing this.  And I&apos;m so sorry that you, and every other woman who writes about this, feels the (understandable) need for elaborate disclaimers and caveats.

To any who say, &quot;if you don&apos;t like it, just turn it off/avoid it!&quot;, please re-read sianmarie&apos;s post and read mine.

While in graduate school, I lived down the street from a strip club.  Every day, the level of street harassment increased dramatically whenever I was within one block of the club.  

A man who worked at the car shop next door made a point of standing outside his shop and shouting sexual comments and insults at me every day.  Such a thing has never happened to me before nor since.

Twice, I was stopped by police and accused of being a prostitute for walking home from school alone after dark.  That has never happened to me before nor since.

On one memorable occasion, a group of men who had just left the club started chasing me until a more sober guy called the others off.  It was terrifying.  After that, I was very careful to cross the street before I got too close to the strip club.  (This also kept me out of reach of the shouting man at the car shop.)

My point is this:  The effects of strip clubs on men&apos;s behavior don&apos;t stop at the strip club door.  The effects of sex work are not limited to sex workers, pimps and customers.  Female &quot;bystanders&quot; are affected, too, and we don&apos;t just complain about it because we&apos;re prudish, jealous, or insecure and just need to &quot;get a grip&quot;.]]>
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<![CDATA[<a title="http://www.crasac.org.uk" href="http://www.crasac.org.uk" rel="nofollow">Sarah Learmonth</a> said: 2 weeks on and we have 48 out of a possible 648 MP signatories.

This says loud and clear what Westminster thinks about rape and it&apos;s victims. The Home Office puts the cost of each rape at £76,000 and yet Coventry Rape and Sexual Abuse Centre is funded only £160 per victim.

Only 1 Conservative MP has signed up as yet.

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<![CDATA[<a title="http://www.pollystyrene.wordpress.com" href="http://www.pollystyrene.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">polly styrene</a> said: Alternative explanation Olivia - maybe spammers think men are more gullible and will fall for the magic penis enlargement pills. ]]>
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<![CDATA[<a title="http://spacecatrocketship.blogspot.com/" href="http://spacecatrocketship.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Pacian</a> said: Try playing Punch the Red Ones Only again.  The more &apos;red ones&apos; you punch, the redder everyone becomes.

&quot;some themes just aren’t meant to be fun.&quot;

Out of interest, would you feel it summed it up if someone pulled out of a competition for short stories or movies on domestive violence for the same reason?  Just because a narrative is interactive, does it have to be pure entertainment, where static narratives can be harrowing or bleak?

I guess I just think that interactive media has great potential for showing people what prejudices they have and what assumptions they make.  And also as a way to argue against those who use &apos;choice&apos; and &apos;personal responsibility&apos; as ways to blame people for things that aren&apos;t their fault.]]>
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<![CDATA[Eurosabra said: 
Every straight Euro-heritage Anglosphere man knows his female friend, lover, or spouse can walk into any bar or pub and approach men, beautiful or otherwise, with every chance of success, given the difference between the way men and women (and here we have the usual caveats, cis-, het-, etc, to describe the issue) live the consequences of how patriarchal society thinks about desire.  The risk is not TOO LITTLE sex, but too much dehumanization resulting from the enactment of female desire--&quot;slag&quot;, &quot;goer&quot;, &quot;&apos;Yes&apos; to one is &apos;Yes&apos; to all&quot;, etc.

The other thing is that Vegas and Amsterdam furnish only a simulacrum of desire and being desired, Vegas less so, because few people outside the USA know that prostitution is actually illegal in Clark County, NV, and the police are diligent about making it unpleasant for johns.  The working conditions in legal brothels elsewhere in Nevada are often horrible, to the point that they resemble the worst trafficking situations in the UK.  And Pattaya?  Pattaya kills.  Men go there, and some die of drink, HIV/AIDS, terrorism, or tsunami.  Or an aged punter checks out because of the strain of the sex itself.  I don&apos;t  know where you found such a bunch of self-deceived madmen, but what is being bought and sold is sexual services, not desire--and I think that part of the problem is that some men do not really know how to talk about desire.]]>
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<![CDATA[Melanie said: @ David Kames

&quot;Have the women play in men&apos;s tennis whites (re-sized, of course) in the hope that less sexy outfits lead to less selling sexiness.
(I honestly don&apos;t see why they don&apos;t - perhaps they could be persuaded to as part of a campaign to be taken seriously as sports people? &quot;

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<![CDATA[Octavia said: Oh, and another thing: email spam is pretty annoying at the best of times, but the thing that winds me up the most is the assumption that EVERY receiver is male (impress your girlfriend tonight/be bigger down there/is ur girlfriend cheating/get the hottest girls/etc, etc). I receive a lot through my filter at work - about six a day - and have never seen one aimed at women. Not that I particularly want any, but if I&apos;m going to be inundated with it, a balance WOULD be nice.]]>
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<![CDATA[<a title="http://www.thefword.org.uk/blog" href="http://www.thefword.org.uk/blog">Laura Woodhouse</a> said: @ Sean

Jehenna has perfectly described why, while recognising that men of course have insecurities, I don&apos;t think they are comparable to the experience and feelings I articulate in my post. We&apos;re talking about having to deal with an entrenched structural bias against women, and it is within this that our experiences are situated. 

I&apos;m not really interested in porn because my sexuality is very much geared towards having other people involved - I&apos;m not interested in getting off on my own. But, as Lattie said, there is actually very little porn aimed at straight women that is not sexist or stuffed with porn-for-men clichés - the straight female gaze is really missing, even in the small amount of self-proclaimed feminist porn that I&apos;ve seen (I&apos;m actually bi, but I find it really hard to enjoy sexualised images of women because of how they make me feel about myself, among other things - another post entirely I think!). And there are almost no websites devoted to sexualised images of men aimed at straight women, seriously, it&apos;s astounding. But whether or not I&apos;m interested in porn and whether or not women choose to make porn is irrelevant to my experience as a woman in a society designed for heterosexual men, as Jehenna so clearly points out.

@ Lattie 

Thanks for sharing your experiences. I agree with you on the femdom stuff - it&apos;s all about the men getting off on the women, not genuinely dominant/sadistic women getting off on the mansubs. Bitchy Jones writes some amazing stuff on this: http://bitchyjones.wordpress.com.

@Lisa,

No, I don&apos;t watch any of this shit if I can help it, but avoiding it doesn&apos;t mean that I&apos;m not aware of its presence, of the role it plays in other people&apos;s lives and the effect it has upon them. So while ignoring it does of course minimise my potential for being angry/upset, just knowing that mainstream society portrays me as wank fodder for men is enough to get me pissed off.]]>
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<![CDATA[Anne Onne said: Queens and After School seem really interesting, as far as you described them. I&apos;m surprised but pleased that some entries really thought around the subject. It&apos;s interesting that themes can be used to hammer in really hard hitting points and make us ask questions about what games are about (mindless entertainment vs educational) and what violence in video games means to us. 

However, as always, it reminds us that to be thought provoking, one has to work really hard with a topic like domestic violence. It reminds me of rape as a plot point. Most often executed badly, to the point that feminists roll their eyes automatically when the topic is approached, there is the potential to make people see things in a different way, from the idea of replacing each character that dies with a new one, to hint that real lives are not like a game, to the fact that an abuse victim can do nothing to stop abuse. 

But I&apos;d be wary of themes that need that much nuance and thought for general competitions. It&apos;s just so easy to not think it out enough and end up with something that supports the status quo (think most of the media) rather than points out oppression. 

Even the fighting game domestic abuse idea might have been thought provoking if done well enough, with some underlying message about abuse, in which the odds are always stacked against you, and in which the object may have been simply to get away. 

But I think I agree with the summary. Sometimes the risk of being part of the problem, not the solution is too great to take lightly.]]>
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<![CDATA[David Kames said: @Aimee - I&apos;d like to think I&apos;m being cynical rather than dismissive, I find it hard not to be in this case. 
As an ex-Marxist I find I&apos;m rarely surprised when firms make perfectly sensible commercial decisions that conflict with the rights or dignity of the people working for them - their first duty is to make a profit, it&apos;s how the system works.
After some time spent reading about feminism (and 20-odd years living in this society) I&apos;m not surprised when people regard women&apos;s attractiveness as an &quot;asset&quot; in all senses of the word. 

I&apos;m not saying that people shouldn&apos;t complain, but I doubt that written complaints will be effective against something so systemic. Will I be so cynical next time something comes up that discriminates against men? Well let&apos;s wait and see...

@Wisrutta Atthakor - I&apos;m with you on the attire bit - I wonder, does Wimbeldon have a dress-code the specifies those very short skirts/dresses on women? A bit of google searching suggests it&apos;s only that they must wear white - however if female players did start playing in t-shirt and shorts I&apos;m pretty sure that sponsors and organisers would quickly find a problem with it.]]>
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<![CDATA[Hazel said: Wisrutta, they are still referred to as Miss or Mrs by the umpires though.

Even in my younger days it made me seethe that Chris Evert (then married to John LLoyd) was called Mrs J. M. Lloyd on the scoreboard even though she was Chris Evert Lloyd everywhere else.]]>
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<![CDATA[JenniferRuth said: @ Sean 

To answer your questions on porn, perhaps you might like to read this:
http://www.oneangrygirl.net/pornmyths.html
It has sections that answer both of your questions.

As for the representations of male bodies in the media no one is saying that men don&apos;t have a tough time. There are ridiculous standards of masculinity being presented and we can understand that these messages must be hard on men. However, it doesn&apos;t compare to the bombardment of of messages that women receive on a daily basis. A man and his body are still regarded as two different things by the media - having a good body is &quot;aspirational&quot; but it isn&apos;t presented as what you are. A woman is represented as being her body - there is no separation distinguished between who a woman is and what she looks like, as there is with men. That is what makes all the difference.

I thought that this comedy sketch by Mitchell &amp; Webb did a really good job of showing the difference in how men and women are advertised too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9fFOelpE_8

(actually, you should all watch this because it&apos;s fucking brilliant) ]]>
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<![CDATA[Qubit said: Perhaps one of the differences is the huge pressure on women to believe they are attractive or they are called pathetic or insecure. I think men can proudly say they aren&apos;t physically attractive without feeling less of a man and this is what women should aim for.  

Why am I insecure rather than just realistic for knowing I am not as sexy as the numerous women on offer in clubs and TV? A man who claimed he wasn&apos;t attractive as {insert famous attractive male celebrity] here wouldn&apos;t be accused of being pathetic. 

The need to be the most attractive person to your partner is of course going to make women insecure (it makes me insecure) but by challenging this need I think women would feel better.]]>
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<![CDATA[<a title="http://www.pollystyrene.wordpress.com" href="http://www.pollystyrene.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">polly styrene</a> said: That is really problematic suggesting that LGBT spaces should be used to prove some point to heterosexual men is both exploitative of LGBT spaces and would impact on the relative safety of those spaces - such suggestions on invasion of these spaces is really problematic. Would we be similarly happy with suggestions of sending straight women into lesbian/bi spaces just so they can get an experience? Or men into all women spaces?

This already happens Louise! 

It&apos;s now illegal to have a gay/lesbian only space. And straight couples wanting threesomes have been cluttering up Canal street for years. As well as hen parties playing &quot;snog a lezzer, straight men who are just there to cause trouble etc, etc, etc. ]]>
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<![CDATA[Jehenna said: Sean,

I think part of the issue is the cultural differences that women are imprinted with from birth onward.

You may not like it when a woman makes crude comments, or touches you inappropriately. But I assume that you don&apos;t have to live every day with the thought in the back of your mind that there are women out there who think of you as nothing but meat to fuck, and they will do that whether or not you want it. That when you go into a relationship with even the most kind, understanding girl, you might have trouble explaining what you want, and knowing that it will be you that has to compromise, because you&apos;ll feel so lucky to have someone who even listens to you in the first place.

To watch movies targetted for the mainstream that remove your gender from the equation again and again, except to portray you as an object for sexual desire or gratification. To have the role of your gender as a parent, as an active agent in society, as a person with opinions, removed and reduced. 

To know that all items are marketed at you showing naked/semi naked men, despite you being heterosexual and attracted to women. To have your heterosexuality denied, and repackaged as bisexual because &apos;the gaze&apos; is always defined as being heterosexual female, and therefore only sexually objectified men are held up as objects to lust after.

To know that every day will be a struggle against people who will dismiss your experience, invalidate your life story and then tell you when you protest that you are shrill, anti-women, and that you don&apos;t know what you are talking about. This includes even talking about a subject you have specialised in, in tertiary study, with people who have no formal background, experience or knowledge of the subject, but who believe that they are right to tell you that they know more, simply because they are women and you are a man.

To know that after you turn 40 you are almost invisible to the population. That people serving you at the counter, will look through you and to the next attractive man, or any woman, before attending to you. To have people speak to your partner rather than to you about purchasing decisions, no matter whose money is being spent or whom the item is for.

To knowing you will have to work twice as hard to get anywhere in your chosen profession, and watch while other people less deserving are coddled, promoted, petted and their shortcomings overlooked, simply because they are women and you are a man.

To have the person that raped you, forcing themselves on you when you were asleep at a friend&apos;s house, tell you to &apos;toughen up princess&apos;  as you struggle into your jeans, sobbing with revulsion and horror that this is now the third time in your life that a woman has forced themselves upon you, and you know that there will be no justice because its her word against yours and you will not be believed.

To trying to speak again and again about these injustices, only to have women tell you that they were groped in a bar once, passed over for promotion once, whistled at on the street once, and so whatever it is that you&apos;re feeling, cannot be relegated to your gender, and you are MAKING IT UP, to get attention and sympathy. 

Now. Deal with that every waking moment, and when you sleep.

Then look at being touched up in a club in that context. You may have been touched up, but you did not have all the attendant power imbalances and systemic violence directed by the other gender at your gender. It is similar behaviour, but the context makes the experience totally different.

I hope that makes things about the rant a little clearer. :)]]>
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<![CDATA[<a title="http://twitter.com/DoctorCarmilla" href="http://twitter.com/DoctorCarmilla" rel="nofollow">Milly Paige</a> said: 6) Trans genital surgery and all other trans related surgeries and medical intervention do not make one a &apos;male&apos; or a &apos;female&apos;.

I&apos;m assuming you mean that it is a trans person&apos;s sense of their own gender that makes them male or female, and the medical intervention allows them to more easily live as that gender, but is not what originally determines their gender, is that correct?

You are entirely correct there! sorry, thought I&apos;d clarified that, but it *was* really early in the morning! lol! 

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