Comments from June 2005
Comments, views, and random thoughts from readers. Let's start with the most laughable first, shall we?
From Nick Barnard
why are you doing this? you would not exist if there were no male human beings. i love my wife and family and have always put them first-you make me sick!
Catherine Redfern, editor of The F-Word, replies
Is there some part of my website I'm not aware of or something? - Ed
From Bobby
Recently I watched one of the best and worst movies of the 21st century. Phone Booth. The plot line is serperb the suspence will keep you on the edge of your seat and the emotional factor is "throught the roof"! Now the bad news, the f word was spouted 127 times thats right 127 times. Who in their right mind would write such garbege. I am a big movie buff I watch every award show read reviews. I love a good move but this is stupid. I think that the f word should be baned
From Betty Swallocks
Re: Nuts / Zoo Weekly: get a life u dyke there iis no need to criticise something like that. fair enough u dont like it but dont jude the people that do who r u 2, a femininst gay more like well done nuts and zoo good effort!!!!!!!
Catherine Redfern, editor of The F-Word, replies
Here endeth this month's stupid emails. On with the rest! - Ed
From Hannah
I just read your blog post [School system is failing our young men... and the rest of the system is failing our young women] on the annual fuss that the school system fails young men, and would like to point out that it doesn't. Everything in school is catered towards engaging boys and every attempt is made to avoid 'girly' topics in case it alienates the boys. The simple reason girls outperform boys is that girls work hard and make the teachers job reasonably possible and boys go out of their way to do the opposite - this is in my experience anyway (I'm 16 and still at school).
From Clare H
Hi, With regard to your blog post on men's magazines [Reach for the Mags, Lads], I once temped for the company that promotes and distributes Zoo. They were actually very concerned about supermarkets in particular putting their magazines on higher shelves/turning them spine out. When this happened, their sales dropped considerably, Zoo being less of a positive choice and more of an impulse buy. While I do take your point about it not deterring everyone, and even encouraging sales in some cases, it is a strategy that magazines are very worried about. I'm just glad that I no longer have to do my work in front of a wall of Kelly Brook's breasts!
From Dorothy King
Re: the blog post PhDiva not one for female solidarity: I agree with your article - mostly. I am trying to help, but I don't think moaning is the way to do it. A previous generation made huge leaps forward for women, and we should build on those. If my cleavage can raise the money to build a new hospital, then that has to be my contribution. My way is different, but equality is not about all being the same, but rather about embracing our differences.
One female academic I know complains about lack of money. I offered her some contacts in TV, so she could supplement her income commenting on current events shows. Each appearance could have paid for a holiday she had just told me she couldn?t afford. She said no, she wouldn't demean herself that way. Fine, she's allowed her own views and I agree in a way - I too would rather not be on TV.
Then she complained about her lecturing post, she hated lecturing, and said she would rather be back at Oxford lecturing there. I said apply for a job. She said there were no teaching jobs there. I pointed out there were research posts, which if she hated lecturing might suit her better. She said she hated doing research as it was boring. Turned out she had never published anything.
Another female academic spent TWO hours in the bathroom getting ready for a conference we were going to - that included shower, washing hair and doing make-up but did not include choosing her clothes .... ! I went from bed to coffee, washing and dressing in 17 minutes. And I was the one presenting the paper. A man paid her a compliment on her looks, and she flew off the handle - he was insulting her as a woman, etc ... She then proceeded to insult me as a woman, by making a really bitchy comment about me being ?barren? because I had just lost my son.
These are just two examples from the past month. The honest truth is that I have no idea what to say to women like that, and if you can tell me what my response should have been, I would be grateful. Woman A ? to me she seemed lazy, wanting rewards without working for them. Woman B ? I wonder what the right response from the man was meant to be ? I genuinely think that he was trying to be friendly not insulting. I had been trying to help her by introducing her to various people, but when she makes those sorts of personal comments, it?s difficult to deal with her.
The two friends I wrote about in the article are brilliant and beautiful. I?ve always thought I was a bit funny looking, with a crooked face. The reason they are beautiful is less to do with their facial features, than because they are always talking and laughing, and they have a twinkle in their eyes. They are beautiful because they are bright and love their careers so much, so they enjoy life.
Playboy ? I cannot be held responsible for photos teenage boys fake on their computers. I wrote about it to contrast the idea of male whatever, with the line about a bad smear test. There is an awful lot of disinformation out there about smear tests and cervical cancer. For some reason most people think that it goes: have sex, catch STD called HPV, get punished for promiscuity by developing CIN and then possibly cervical cancer. Many GPs still promote this line of thought. Because of that, there is a stigma involved, and most women will not talk about smear tests. I do, and I did so publicly.
That was a first shot in an attempt to de-stigmatise cervical problems. Not all CIN is caused by HPV. And only two types of HPV are STDs, and those are not the types that lead to cancer. There are 100 plus types of HPV and research shows they can be passed in the womb, through breast-feeding, kissing, and in many non-sexual ways.
Maybe it is my background, but I do find the way women adopt men?s views shocking. I know very few women who will fight for their views over a dinner table, let alone in public. I expressed my views, and others are welcome to reciprocate by expressing their views of me ? that?s the game of life. I was the one who stuck my neck out, and you?re all welcome to chop away at it.
The one thing I do ask is that you think about one line I wrote, and go get smear tests. They take minutes, and even if something is found it can usually be dealt with very quickly, if caught early. If you don?t like your GP ? and many GPs do not do them properly anyway ? then ring your local hospital and make an appointment at the G-U clinic.
My children won?t be feminists from what I?ve read, so we have to count on you lot to produce the next generation to fight for women ! Best wishes,
From suzanne warren
attagirl, rachel [Subvert the Dominant Pimpiarchy]! i thought that no young women were paying attention to what is going on with the whole pimp and porn culture. i'm not remotely religious or prudish either but i have a daughter and even i can see how it negatively impacts on all women. young girls, desperate to appear sexy and 'cool', try to claim porn for themselves (wearing playboy logos and visiting strip clubs) in the same way african americans claimed the N word. a well known porn baron once defined good porn as 'getting the most beautiful girls you can find to do the most degrading things they will do'. real porn is about degradation. that's what separates it from erotica and no matter how hard women try to convince themselves it's somehow empowering, they are fooling themselves.
From asherah
Comment on the article : Subvert the Dominant Pimpiarchy. Yes Rachel, you definetely made your point! I totally agree with you!
From katie
[Re: The Eminem Defence] i think eminem is free to speak his mind and he can say what he likes.
From you can call me red
I have read the book [Bridget Jones: The Edge of Reason] and seen the moive and I think you have hit the nail on the head. You thoughts echo my own. Thanks for voicing them.
From TJ
I've just read the piece on Are you married or not [Are You Married? If Not, Why Not?]. Although I found it interesting, and the author was giving a personal testimony, it would have been good to include the fact that some prep needs to be done if you are going to live as unmarried couple.
She talked of marriage being homophobic but soon gay and lesbians will have the right to undetake civil unions. They will thus be recognised as married by the state. This will mean that as with hetrosexual spouses they are entitled to certain rights. Unless cohabiting couples look to the law and set their affairs in order - wills; joint accounts; joint names on housing contracts; pension arrangements; parental responsibilty papers; a document ( like a living will) stating that your partner should be involved in any treatment decisions etc. The list is endless. Women will once more be disenfranchised and poor. I would say used and abused. Men also suffer in this case.
Should civil unions be extended to cohabitation ? Well logically they can't can they ? because it would be a form of marriage. After all for those with religious objections they can marry in halls; registry offices; gardens etc. already. We live in a society in which people are able to choose but I would say please make informed choices. Find out before you make big life choices like this. There is no such thing as a common law wife. Cohabitees do not have the same rights as married people or civil union same sex partnerships.
From Dominic
I was very interested to read your Ethics of Sex Toys article and while I don't agree with many of the points that have been made, warmly welcome the general thrust of the article. As a manufacturer and distributor of sex toys (under the Mantric brand), I would very much like to talk some more about the points raised and consider how we might take a more ethical approach.
From Scott
Megan. I loved your article on teenage rights for teenage girls. Even though im no femenist I still think it was good. And I do believe that the adults think we have a miniscule brain copasity and knowledge on how to make decisions. So they decide to make decisions for us. Like a dictatorship! And it has to stop. Well im gonna go now.
From Kent
I read an article about Michael Jackson wich came from here [The Michael Jackson Interview]. Allthough it stresses on many important issues, it also projects some false information. The information I am referring to is Michaels face. Yes he has had plastic surgery, but his skin colour has nothing to do with that. You should really look into the facts before you write any views on it. Michael has a skin disorder called Vitiligo, wich destroys the pigmentation of the skin. This illnsess is very embarrasing and can be potentially dangerous. Michael has to protect his skin from the sun everyday, hense the umbrellas he has, sunglasses and surgical masks.
Some go to the extent in saying he lies, and that there is no such thing as Vitiligo. But these are ignorant people who did not learn to pick up a book and read. There is several medical books about the illness, web-sites, and it is even listed in all encyclopedias. Michael has it very hard because of this illness, and because he is a public figure, he has to wear makeup to cover the nasty blotches on his skin. Thats why he never takes of his makeup infront of people. I am very angry for the treatment he is getting from the media, but what angers me the most is the lies and the ignorance. Not to be to harsh with you, but linking his plastic surgery to his white skin is wrong, and is simply not the truth.
Catherine Redfern, editor of The F-Word, replies
What I actually wrote was: "Jackson is often alleged to have made himself 'look white'". Alleged! - Ed
From Kerrie
Re: Stepford Wives in Training. Thank you for that insight into life at Trinity College. It sounds very similar to my university experience. I realise now how lucky I was to find a pocket of like-minded feminists.
From Alex Hill
I read with interest and empathy Stepford Wives in Training. I'm at Oxford university and encounter similar attitudes. We too have a surplus of over-confident, 'macho' men, and in turn the women are predominantly deferential and approval-seeking. Despite obviously being their intellectual equals, women blatantly and constantly play down their own intelligence, in co-ed tutorials the girls are practically silent, allowing the guys to dominate. We too have an exclusive dining society, run by and for men, with only the very prettiest girls being invited. We also have men only drinking societies- they sometimes throw parties to which everyone is invited and i have been ridiculed for my boycott of their events. I am told to relax, get over it. Members of said society have even told me its just a bit of fun, that they're 'being ironic'. The 'old-boys club' atmosphere that pervades my college and whole university completely disgusts me, not least because it is welcomed and upheld by my female as well as male peers.
From Sian
Re: Stepford Wives in Training. While I love my degree and my life in my Oxford College, i also find the lack of anything approximating feminism among the majority of my fellow female undergraduates most upsetting. One girl, doing a degree in chemistry, told me she planned to work for a few years, then marry a rich man and give up. this attitude has been echoed by more than a few other girls. Mentioning that i am a feminist draws down reactions like "you can't be, you've had a boyfriend." to "you can't be, you wear skirts" or even "aren't you afraid of being alone?' Sexually active girls are mocked by blokes who, nevertheless, willingly sleep with the same girl etc etc. Even my female tutor who happens to be young and in her twenties was not immune from this. behind her back, my whole class were joking about how they'd like to shag her for a power trip and how they believed her to be fantasizing about them. the lawyers have a running joke about it not being rape if you shout "surprise" first, while I have been told by my fellow and male students to be more quiet in tutes. My (male) tutor, however, hasn't complained. This is not to say that the vast majority of the time I don't love oxford and the life in my college but the attitudes and even the jokes that surround me are extremely worrying. Especially when most of the girls here allow to pass by or actively collude in sexist jokes. And that's not even touching the issue of the males here who think an extremely drunk female they've never met before is capable of giving consent and is fair game.... The worst thing is that these girls are among the brightest and best, yet they are scared of feminism, scared of asserting themselves and depressingly insecure and nothing seems to make any difference.
From Katy
thanks to Shaira Kadir for her article "Stepford Wives in Training?". it was fantastic! I found exactly the same thing whilst studying in Oxford (in a college that even has a female head and a near-equal gender balance amongst undergraduates) - the attitudes of the majority of male and female students, and staff, were really worrying. I graduated a couple of years ago, but when I returned recently for a visit it just seemed like things were getting worse, especially amongst the younger female students - at dinner it was really noticeable that a huge number of them (with the exception of a couple at the end of a table referred to as "the dykes") had dressed up as though they were going clubbing - (mini-skirts etc.) whislt most of the men turned up in sports gear, I even heard a group of women ask someone else who I was and receive the response "she's that feminist..."!
From P
In response to article about gender inequality in Trinity college Cambridge [Stepford Wives in Training?]: I simply cannot believe this. As a sixth form student, considering going to Cambridge in a few years, I am torn as to what college to choose. On the one hand, I'd want to avoid Trinity and all that follow this horrendous trend, but then on the other hand, I wouldn't mind going there and putting them in their place! How dare they?! Oh, I'm all fired up now! It's depressing to know that if I wanted to go to a top university, I may have to suffer not only the snobbery of the upper-classes (coming from a modest background) but also gender inequality.
From Luke
I've read your article "get mad" and a had a look at the website in question. I think there are some valid issues raised on the "discrimination" page, because men do face varying forms of discrimination. I don't think there is anything to especially get mad about.
From Peter
Responding to Tales of a Librarian - Tori Amos. Although I wouldnt describe myself as either a feminist or a woman, im becoming familiar with feminist pages across the net. The separate subjects of feminism and Tori Amos have become so entwined that search engines cant tell the two apart anymore. I was pleased to read that you didnt waste your time trying to convince your cynical peers regarding Tori's considerable talents. Tori describes her own method of communication as passive penetration, whatever the hell it is, it works so bloody well that its frightening. You remember your first time with Tori and you know that something very special has entered your life. Far be it from me to attempt to passively penetrate where Tori has failed.
I enjoyed your article although I dont agree on a few minor points regarding the meaning of the lyrics. The things which are tucked inside of every nice girl are no longer under lock and key. Your site appears to be a fine outlet for whatever's pent up. Too often, a demonised subject of "mens expectations of women" is allowed to take the blame for insecurities which are clearly more deep rooted. You touched on this subject whilst summerizing the brilliant Crucify. Tori's angels and demons were clearly at war when she wrote that song. The battle was personal and spiritual and Tori bared her soul to music without even the slightest hint that mens expectations were to blame for the inner conflict. The inclusion of (men) in brackets and their expectations (damn them all) left me feeling like you may be trying too hard to feel persecuted by men. Nobody asked my expectations, not even in passing, so to see them assumed and misrepresented within the womens pages is both annoying and puzzling, and all too often, the accusing finger is pointed by those screaming "intollerence".
After my first brush with feminism, Im only a little bruised. Im pleased that Tori Amos is well recieved and that her words and music give strength to so many people. She's a tribute to the world that you cant keep a good woman down. Im often saddened that life keeps dealing her cruel blows. However much life takes away, she gives and keeps giving, and somehow manages to do so without bitterness. Each song is its own intimate experience, another beautiful gift from Tori to men and women alike. Maybe their meanings are unclear because Tori never claims to have the conclusions to lifes turmoils and conflicts. She just asks all the right questions and leaves the answers to the listener. I can see why womens groups and forums have claimed Tori as unofficial spokesperson, and why so many women aspire to her. Perhaps the reason that the word Feminism and the name Tori Amos sit so comfortably together, is that one represents the other perfectly. In a word, Womanhood. But that dont make her yours. She's my angel too (except I dont change her lyrics to suit) in brackets. Stay Positive.
From S
I am commenting on the article i have just read on 'hollywood women', i thought this a very interesting and well written article, like many i have read on this website- which i have only stumbled on by accident today! But with all the well written feminist theory entered into this article, there was a sweeping mention of the phrase 'chick flicks', i would be really interested to know what someone else's view is on this saying. In my opinion this label is branded to films which are tacky,badly made and acted. why then should this be forced upon women? the whole phrase seems sexist. Why should women be stereotyped as having bad-taste when it comes to films, and are interested in anything with a good-looking lead man and a love story where it all ends happily? I dont know how articulatly I am putting forward my point,probably not at all! But i was interested whether someone agree's with me, and whether it was an interesting feature to bring up. thank you for taking time to read this,
From Lucy Williams
Re: Mooncup: I have to say i totally agree. i hate pads and have always used tampons but they give me such bad cramps. every woman MUST try a mooncup, it really has changed the way i think about my periods now. so much control. can go out and not worry about filling my bag with products, and if you stay over night at a friends house u need not sneak off to the toliet with products, all u do is empty. its so much healthier and better for environment too. not to mention your pocket. one off payment.
From Charlotte
Mooncup: just to say that I've been using mine for 2 cycles and it's fantastic. It's totally reliable, perfectly comfy, and ace. I only have to empty it about very 6 to 10 hours. I've never slept better "on". It is fiddly to learn how to put in and especially to take out (this takes me a couple of minutes still), but it's like not having your period whilst still having it. You can enjoy this natural part of your life with it. I liked the review of reusable sanitary products. I've also use dayzee pads which are washable. It's revolutionised it for me. My poor fella is sick of hearing about it. :)
Just wanted to get some feminist ish things off my chest. Reading wedding magazines and books I am fed up of them. They are all fashion based and lead you to feel you have to have it like this, or it's done this way. Rubbish! On such an important day, you have to do things your way. It's fine to get ideas of different ways of doing things, but if you went along with it all and got sucked into the "what you should have"s you'd end up with a ?50k bill! Question everything (is there a cheaper or free way?) and don't get sucked into feeling you have to have a ?300 to be happy! It's the marriage that's important, and also it's probably important that you feel ace and have friends and family around that day. Enjoy the day! I know I will, with my brother as the wedding car, Mum making the cake, reception at the local pub, Aunty's wedding ring, ?150 dress, homegrown flowers, homemade table decorations, etc.etc.
(2) As a female motorcyclist I'm sick of being called a "Biker Chick". Other lasses will know what I mean - it goes "you've got a motorbike?" "yes" "ooh, Biker Chick". Nobody ever expects you to have anything other than a 50cc hairdryer either. lol.. It's works well for us chicks though, cos if only you can get the confidence to do it, if you do a track day as I used to, you can overtake blokes with pink bobbles in your hair just so they know it was a girl that overtook them. :) It was great and taught me that anyone can do anything. I hope we see more women in motorsports.
(3) General - in my daily life, when my Mum worries about me doing things and so on, I often imagine myself as a lad, the same age, same house etc. and think "what would I be doing?" "would I do this or that without a second thought?" and then i do it! Like DIY, driving long journeys, being in a band, etc. etc. Think what lads just seem to get on and do, then do exactly that. or better!
From Francine Hoenderkamp
Re: Take Back the Streets: Does anyone think that hooting, wolf whistling, hollaring, slowing down of cars etc. when a woman is walking down the streets should be made illegal. I walked through Ladbroke Grove last night on my own and was petrified. 9 out of 10 men I walked past did either one of the aforementioned jestures. I felt violated and absolutely petrified. Men should respect that women get extremely scared by this. This also happens in my local town in Essex too but not quite so often. It's frightening. Something should be done about it.
From Richard L
In your article "Take Back the Streets" you ask: "What century are we living in when a women (sic.) walking in a public place is seen as a fair target for abuse purely because she is female?"
I was walking through Duthie Park in Aberdeen last week, and was asked by a group of early teenage girls: "Do you have a big c*ck?". On a previous occasion my friends and I had to cross the road to avoid an abusive group of women who had emerged from a pub and who were directing their abuse at us. I think one answer to your question is: "The same century in which a man walking in a public place is seen as a fair target for abuse purely because he is male." Interestingly, my view is that these were nasty people, not nasty women.
There are nasty people. The barrier to equality which I think your site contributes to is to selectively strip out parts of reality in order to continue the fiction that one gender has a monopoly on nastiness.
I don't know what you hope to achieve by doing that. A much better question would be: "What century are we living in when a person walking in a public place is seen as a fair target for abuse", and then think of ways together we can promote a civil society. As it is, I find no ground upon which to engage with you in that task.
(Irrespective of your views, I think your site is beautifully designed. Well done.) Respectfully,
From Kate Simons
Re: Take Back the Streets: Like the women whose comments I have read in this article, I too have experienced verbal harassment on an almost daily occurrence. In the workplace, on the train, on tv, in the street. Everywhere. Verbal insults and harassment are one thing, certainly more prevalent than physical harassment in my experience, but I have experienced both just walking down the street. On one occasion I was spat at because I wouldn't reply to a gang of pre-teen boys demanding blow-jobs, who then went on to call me a 'dyke' and a 'fat slag'. I am a 19 year old student, tall and curvy and by appearances, an adult, and on another occasion while walking home from the theatre with my mother - so, that's two adult women - we were confronted by two 10-12 year old boys, who made sexist jibes and comments, and the younger one hit me on the bum as we walked past, they then ran off laughing.
I shouted at them, furious and appalled, but ultimately helpless. I wanted to pursue them, hold them down and force them to see how disgusting their attitudes were, ask them how they would feel if someone treated their mother or sister in that way? But what could I have done? I wasn't physically hurt, so what good would going to the police do? If I had pursued them, who's to say they wouldn't have had a knife, a gun, or attacked me.
The only place I haven't (yet) experienced sexism, racism or bigotry of any kind, is in university. I do agree that education is the key to teach boys and men that women cannot be treated in this way, but the fact remains that in experiences like mine physical retaliation seems the only way to reprimand such acts. I would also like to point out to other young women that we should educate others, our friends, partners and our children. Feminism isn't outdated, it isn't just for women, it isn't for 'wronged' 'victims'. There is no post-feminist era, because we are still suffering from the misogynistic attitudes of some people. The frightening thing is how very young some of these people are.
From Andrew B?
Re: Take Back The Streets. It is perhaps an over simplification to assume that only men perceive a woman attractive when passing them on the street equally as it would be naive to assume that women do not men. However, it seems to me more a matter of society having shifted to operating without any sort of moral map - generation upon generation of males exposed to any sort of message that say that lecherous behaviour is plainly unacceptable. Again, as seems always to be my premise, we are addressing the symptoms and not necessarily the cause.
There is not one aspect of the article I would disagree with other than perhaps the danger of propositioning an argument which merely eludes to statically evidence, something which becomes annulled when considering the probability of an event caused by factors operating in any situation / incident. For instance, although proportionally rape may occur where the rapist knows their victim this does not remove the percent that do not and the probability that factors that will result in this, something which is almost an infinite uncertainty. This is not to suggest that any female, nor a male, should be house-bound purely because of this risks but that to unwisely engage in confrontation can result is something more profound than making a stand. Conversely, it is a stand which is needed to be taken to break this fetid status quo.
I do not pretend to offer any solution to this but I feel the absence of acknowledging the logistics of risk invalidates the premise of making any sort of argument for change. I just wish more males would use Debretts are the basis of their conduct.
From Catriona
In response to your article on street harrassment [Take Back The Streets]: I have many friends who are blokes and when I express my disgust of men beeping horns, whistling and generally making comments at you walking down the street, men defend it saying, its only a bit of fun or some women like it or even its flattering. It is none of these! It is pure and simple harrassment. I never ignore comments I always have a go back which to a certain extent is a highly stupid thing to do but on the other hand highly satisfying when you say something that makes them feel an idiot. I have also not just been verbally harrassed but also physically, woe betide the man that thinks its acceptable to pinch or slap my backside in a club or pub, they will get more than they were bargaining for as a torrrent of abuse will be hurled at them. I was on the tube a couple of months ago and an man probably aged about 65 grabbed my arse and tried to pass it off as the tube being crowded, I always make a fuss to draw attention to what is happening saying in a very loud voice 'don't you dare think about grabbing my arse again you dirty old man' everyone on a crowded tube train staring at them like a perv does the job nicely. The other one I particularly enjoyed was a builder saying to me 'nice tits' and me promptly replying 'yes you too mate' to which his face just fell and his colleagues laughed. Its nice to make them feel how we feel every so often. If men could actually recognise the daily abuse that women receive then maybe it would stop.
From Ericcil
wow. I cant believe you can read so much into a simple movie [The Incredibles]. I'll admit, it's a rather dark movie for children, but they're growing up. People do die in the movie, super and normal people, but they aren't implying that if someone important/better is killed that it's an absolute atrocity. People die daily, as sad as it sounds, but we do pay attention to them. If the whole world were supposed to know everyone who dies daily, we wouldn't really be doing anything other than lamenting every single loss. As far as I'm concerned, you don't listen to what the characters have to say. Frozone does NOT say women are for sex, or imply that for the matter. He IS stating, however, that women do find a little supperiority in knowing celebrities and such. The women beating as you put it is highly exaggerated. He's Mr. Incredible, he can lift enormous objects, so he is able to just pick up mirage with one hand easily. This scene would be different if there was a normal man there, though it would have been a lot worse for children because he would excersize more force than needed. Anyway, I hope you're happy, because you've degraded a perfectly fine film.
From Rosa
In response the review of The Incredibles: A very insightful review! I must admit that there were many things in this review about the film that I did not notice (although I WAS disconcerted by fact that Elastigirl didn't have a life of her own.) It would have been an alright film if it was funny, and I did have high expectations of its comical content, but it was nowhere near as funny as expected. A true dissapointment. This review, on the other hand, is the first on this website that I've read, but will not be the last. Inspirational!
From Joolz
I was so relieved to read your 'Incredibles' review! My eldest daughter (nearly 5) is obsessed with Violet (happily, solely with her superpower aspects, but, of course, all sorts of subliminal stuff is going in...) and I have sat through the DVD of the film several times now. All the local kids are really into it, and I have tentatively raised the subject of what a sexist pile of stereotyped twaddle the movie is with several of my acquired-since-childbirth friends. Would you believe it, not ONE of them gets it? These women, depressingly, are bright, caring, educated, intelligent people with kids the same age as my own (4 & 2), living in London. They says 'Oh but I thought you'd really like it, being a feminist, because Violet & Helen are superheroes.' or 'It's just a film, you shouldn't take it so seriously.' Argh.
I have also had the delight of being present at several Incredibles parties. The official merchandise tableware is decorated as follows: plastic cups - Dash; paper plates - Dash & Mr I; napkins - Violet, Dash & JackJack; birthday cake 1 - the whole family; birthday cake 2 - Mr I; Reusable sports cups - Dash & Mr I. It makes me so sick I could... be sick?
Thanks. You make me feel a little saner.
From Mads
Have you ever thought that you may be over-reacting - just a tiny bit? The reason that Violet is stick thin is that none of their characters are normal, they are all overblown. Edna Mode, the tiny fashion designer, Mr Incredible, a huge superhero. Maybe you should try watching a film, just for the film.
From Nathaniel
in repsonse to a short bit of your article on The Incredibles: mainly i'm concerned with the blasting of the poor director on the soul basis you thought his movie propagated a family unit you feel is out-dated. i'm not by any-means a feminist, at least not by the terms your author seems to view feminism. i simply stumbled across your article and found it horrific. a few points are dead on, a few points are not, and i would love to have a discussion about this with an educated person, so please email me back in response.
specifically tho, your opinion of mister incredible being a general asshole on the terms that he choked mirage seems unjustified. i think it's just as sexist to not abuse someone on the basis of their sex as it is to abuse someone on the same terms. the fact that mirage got choked had nothing to do with anything except for the fact mr. incredible was under the impression he was going to recieve more hurt, and so prior to that hurt, he inflicted some, posing the inquiry as to what else they could take from him. not just what she, mirage, could take, it had nothing to do with her, she was merely the reciever. had the roles been switched, and she been the evil-doer, and billy the cronie, billy would have been choked, and everything fine. i'm just afraid that had that been the case, your arguement would have still lay in the fact that mr. incredible was a woman hater, since the woman would have to die in the end.
i donno tho, this is simply the impression i get from this article, not one of equality, but of sexism, just sexism from the other perspective
From Unknown
Just read The Incredibles review article and thoroughly disagree. Here's why:
The article writer attacks the stereotypes and generalisations utilised in the film but still uses them herself. A childless twenty-something doesn't like cartoons apparantly. I do! I was thoroughly looking forward to this film and accepted a certain amount of stereotypes to filter through into the plot. At times I was gagging at the lines (ElastaGirl's anti-men saving the world speech) or feeling uncomfortable (Mirage gets strangled) but at other times I was pleasantly suprised (ElastaGirl punches Mirage - what do you expect her to do in such a situation? The reaction certainly wasn't stereotypical for a film aimed primarily at children).
I'm not sure of the point the writer has tried to make with the violence against women issue - its not been made to seem as if this behaviour is advocated in the film, or if it has, its at the same level as the issue of violence against people in general.
Violet was dangerously thin yes, but what of Mr Incredible? Won't the enteral image of a super strong muscle-bound giant be making young boys feel bad about themselves? Maybe, but probably not. I'd be less likely to be worried by Violet's body shape then be happy that she gets to kick some butt and protect her family (again, something you don't see enough of in films).
"It is still quite acceptable to show children a film in which the ideal man is one who beats up women, and the ideal woman a stay-at-home housewife." Mr Incredible was [understandably] vengeful when he attacked Mirage. And ElastaGirl is the most unconventional housewife I've ever seen. I loved her determination and courage, it was so refreshing to watch. Who said anything about them being ideal anyway?
I'm not attacking the article because the author has read too much into a cartoon (afterall, it was aimed at adults as well as their children). I just don't feel that she was watching the same film as me. Although I saw its minor flaws The Incredibles had enough energy and fun about it to carry it off. Comments welcome. :)
From Emily-Magdalene
Re: "Why Irma Kurtz is Wrong About Rape." I would like to thank you for this article. There is a girl in one of my classes. A few days ago, she was wearing a skirt, and a rather short one, at that. One of my friends commented, "She's just *begging* to get raped," and I scoffed. If a woman asks for rape, why doesn't she get equal treatment in the eyes of the law, LIKE SHE ASKS FOR? It's articles like yours that are really defining rape, in a way that is fair and sensitive. Thank you.
From Victoria Culley
I thoroughly appreciated Rachel E's article, "Every Girl Wants a Stalker" I have always puzzled over the Hollywood fantasy of the unwelcome but persistent suiter who eventually wins over the object of his desire. The technique may work in sales but not in romance. In the first place, the stalker dude is usually not someone I would turn down (e.g., Robert Downey or some other Hollywood hunk). So here I'm already thinking the leading lady is crazy for not wanting this guy. I am therefore unable to suspend disbelief in the plot. Second, no man I have not been interested in has EVER been able to wear me down or change my mind about him. The chemistry is either there or it isn't . So the theme itself is pure arrogance coming from a man's point of view, and films like this send a dangerous and unrealistic message of false hope to would-be "stalkers," and perhaps even rapists ("aww, come on honey, you know you want it.") When, indeed, does "no" mean "no?" Also note the double standard of films like Fatal Attraction when the male is on the receiving end of the stalking. If I see one more of these trite and predictable films I'm going to demand my money back. It's time for Hollywood to grow up.
From Lisa Qiu
I'm respoding to "Everyone Wants a Stalker". I have to say it was hilarious. Someone should write a movie script about a woman persuing the man of her dreams. There was this one movie about a man that was psycho stalking that was "Mr. Wrong" starring Ellen Degeneres. I love that film, he pours LSD in her drink to get her to marry him. Anyways, that was one of the most entertaining articles on your site.
From John
Hi. One of my colleagues is a twenty-three year-old woman. She is intelligent, training to be a chemistry teacher, and enjoys herself. Today it transpired that she didn't know the meaning of the titular "Ms". She thought that women perhaps used it when they got divorced or widowed. To put it mildly I was stunned by this.
I'm fifty years-old and have strong recollections of the battles that raged in the 1970s over the real meaning of words. I was amazed that a bright, feisty young woman would have NO knowledge of such a commonplace compromise. I suppose it's not relevant nowadays {sigh} - I must be getting old! Regards,
From gowri doloswala
thankyou so much for taking the time to write your article 'why its time for the battle of the sexes to end'. for years i have been driven to my witts end by the type of laddish men you described in your article. all we are are sexual objects, nothing else. one might argue that this is down to their ignorance, i dont believe so as if someone leered at a mans mother\daughter/sister and made sexual remarks about them, men wouldn't have it!so they do know how to behave but they just choose not to. i believe the world to be deeply misgynistic and have experienced it so much since livng in east london. i lost count of the times that desperate men would shout filth at me because they were sexually frustrated and saw fit to take that aggression out on women. my male friends dont understand of course-what have they got to gain from trying to understand how sexism affects women on a daily basis. if we complain about it we are 'hysterical, over emotional or right wing feminists', the latter term i still see in a very positive light. whats with this laddet culture anyway? why would we want to behave like men? one of the many advantages of being a women is that we are nothing like men so why copy them? i believe we deserve the same choices as men, ie,sleeping around etc but who wants to? im glad i dont sleep around, get pissed and act all hard and macho.these qualities are only consisdered important because men do them. so thankyou again for writing this artivle because i agreed with absolutely everything you wrote. good luck for the future kind regards,
From Simon
i read Louise Livesey's article [How Everyday It Is] with great interest. But is there a moral to this story? What saddens me is that the barman who acted on her behalf will no doubt think twice before coming to the defence of another person (woman or man) again. The problem here isn't sexism - a similar outcome would have occurred had a man (with or without crutches) been the target of the ice cubes - it's the fact that people (in this case the ice cube thrower) who act stupidly are no longer called to account for their actions, and worse, that drunkeness is seen as a mitigating factor in these incidents, rather than a contributing one. regards
From Lynne McLean-Brown
Re: How Everyday It Is: having worked in a pub for 3 years i am very familiar with the attitude that being female and in a place where alchohol is served means you msut accept. i was often criticsed for not finding such behaviour funny. i was often percieved as "needing to lighten up" or "having PMT" well done on a interesting article
From LF
I just read the article on the movie King Arthur, and was impressed. If the balanced view and openness expressed in this article is typical of the modern feminist movement, as a male I may have to review my attitude. Many feminists seem to take a hardline rampant 'anti male' stance, which I am glad to see this article does not. I'm all for equality and mutual respect, but believe the genders ARE different and no amount of political correctness by either one will change that (and I'm NOT suggesting 'inferior' by 'different' ).
The comments about Keira Knightley's role were particularly interesting. While, as a natural condition of being male, I'm all for scantily clad nasties running around with swords, I found Guenevere in war guise as portrayed by Keira Knightley to be more frightening than sexy, and that is exactly what a fighting woman in that setting would have to be, in order to gain any respect or credibility (just like any other warrior, for that matter). If I was a brutal pillaging Saxon invader, I'd think twice before getting in her way.
I confess my interest in the article was from a search on warrior women through history, a pet interest of mine. Celtic women in particular seem to have a reputation for being aggressive or warlike in this sense, and history is full of references to females fighting men even during the most oppressive and patriarchal of times. It is a shame that many of the world's mythologies contain war queens, goddesses and line soldiers, and yet we have so little written or other sound evidence to back up what seems to be a common thread in most civilisations.
There are numerous web resources from searches of 'warrior women', and similar keywords which will lead to a plethora of websites which are (if perhaps tangentially) related to this film review and some of the issues both the movie and the review touched upon.
For what it's worth, I thought the film in question was the best Arthurian show made to date, although "Excalibur" probably remains the truest to the mediaeval romances (as opposed to the film discussed in the review being probably the truest to the historical Dark Ages).
A gentleman by the name of David Ford has done extensive work on correlating myths, history, genealogies and other related information on the internet. Alas I don't have the link(s) handy, but if the reviewer or anyone else at the site has further interest in Dark Age Britain, his resources would be highly recommended. They were of the greatest use when I researched the post-Roman British Isles for a miniatures wargaming campaign some years ago.
From Joe
just thought i'd say what an absolutely fabulous website you have, i've just stumbled across it whilst doing my history coursework. then again maybe its just the pro-plus affecting my judgement! anyway, brilliant site, will be added to favourites!
From Mercedes
responding to the reviews of $pread magazine: hey! respectfully to Ms. Razorblade, i understand your critiques of $pread, but as the working Art Director, i just wanted to respond to your negative comment about our poor type-setting: i'm a stripper/ photographer, not a graphic designer, and learning as i go. i learned in design while laying out issue #1. i am not a designer.
hope you'll find issue #2 more pleasing. hope your valid criticisms can bend more towards our content. we're listening. (and learning how to put together a magazine. none of us have ever done this before.)
From Toni
i realy stumbeled across this websit because im doing a report for my school on teen and sexuality and how society influences us. i started to read and resurch this sight and was amazed on how such amazing woman like your selfs from opposite ends of the world can come together ang relaty to noe another! from what i have read u women are stong and independent. we need more of that in the world to day . we need to stop haveing are men calling us bitches and ho's because its degrateing and mosy of us don't seem to mind, but more inportant we need to stop doing it to each othe . it makes it seem like it ok for somebody else to do it when r4eally it's just makeing more girl dramma and unnessisary problems in are schools. work places & ever personal lifes. even though i just turned 16 today i still have know how visiouse woman can be when they are not listened to or understood . the fact is is tyhat we all need to be there for each other and just get along or at least stop hateing..!!!!!!!!
From Iona
I have just read your review [Kill Bill] and am shocked to see that your only 16 ! That has made me smile and will continue to for the rest of the day. Keep writing gurl, you know what ur talking about ! So intelligent and insightful and I totally agree with what you said.
From John
Hi Lindsay...what a lovely fresh article about the lovelyness of womens body hair i adore lady body hair the more the better especially below the belly button and down the legs its been a life times love for me how wonderfle to hear a lovely lady who feels the same...xxx
From Holly Barnes-Thomas
I have just read Whose Slut, followed by all the comments and can I just say Arrrrrgh! Did no one have a positive comment? Personally I thought; finally an honest perspective on female sexuality in today's society. I am a straight woman and can happily say that I find images of women in reality, in the media and in porn can turn me on. I find the suggestion that this makes me a lesbian in denial quite ridiculous, I come from a very liberal background where homosexuality has never been a taboo -if I was a lesbian I would have no reason to deny it! I completely agree with Forrest and am sick to death of feeling like some kind of traitor to feminism just because I enjoy being a sexual woman. I like looking sexy, it makes me feel good. I like dressing up in a sexy outfit and shaking my ass on stage at my favourite club, I find it a sexual release. I love to see women (of all shapes, sizes, ages, ethnic backgrounds) looking confident and sexy ?enjoying their sexuality. What I don?t like is the seething hate which emanates from others, mostly women when I do choose to express my sexuality (by god!) in public (worse yet!) with my body. I am not objectifying myself! I am enjoying my body and I am exercising my right to be a sexual woman! I do get wound up by the extent to which women are objectified in the media. It truly sucks that they are presented as the must have accessory for every male hip hop star and it is horrifying how narrow the acceptable body image is. But what needs to change is this narrow image of what a sexy woman is and the attitude that a sexual woman is a bad woman who should be publicly vilified from all corners ?including the feminist corner.
From Francine Hoenderkamp
Can anyone tell me why we have Bono and many many other celebrities fighting World Poverty, Elton John and many many other celebrties fighting AIDS. They ALL come out to fight against War but we appear to have not one female or male celebrity fighting Anorexia and Bulimia? WHY?
From Tom Valentine
Am I being too cynical in suggesting that the Yorkie no-go campaign is designed to provoke women into buying the product, as in "You're not telling me I can't buy this...."

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