Comments from July 2004

Handbags, FAM and no negative comments? It has been another bursting inbox...

, 5 July 2004

From Andy R

Interesting review of the John Stoltenberg book [Refusing to be a Man] (which I’ve not read). Regarding the “men in feminism” question which you rightly identify as being not quite the point, I don’t call myself a feminist but state, if asked, that I support feminism. It’s just that guys I’ve met who say “I’m a feminist” are usually anything but. I’m one of those who would take issue with Stoltenberg’s comments on objectification and pornography, interesting though they might be. I followed the Dworkin anti-porn line in my youth, having to radically revise my opinions after reading Pat Califia & others and meeting women who were fed up with being regarded as gender traitors – one friend pointed out that her own sexuality involved a certain amount of “objectification” of other women, and she took exception to the idea that this made her somehow less feminist.

Another friend was talking yesterday about the “policing” of people’s sex lives and how this became one of the major focuses of feminism in the early ’80s, to the exclusion of “actually doing anything”. I am very uncomfortable about the idea that it is legitimate to criticise consensual sexual behaviour. This authoritarian impulse hijacked the women’s movement, in my view, and did the cause a lot of harm.

I’ve been relieved to see in recent years more acceptance of sexual diversity, of diversity in general. As you said – “Feminism says men and women are unique human beings. Anti-feminism says all men are identical, and all women are identical”. I love that. I’ll take a look at Stoltenberg’s book, and am always interested in these kinds of debates, but a return to an interpretation of “the personal is political” which makes people persona non grata because of their sexuality is not something I would ever want to see.

‘A Perfect Delusion’ articulated the way my heart sank when I saw the new batch of so-called men’s magazines. ‘Loaded’ seemed to have been sidelined by now & I didn’t expect to see another wave of this crap – weekly, even, and complete with TV ads – I was hoping men would’ve lost interest… (I’d like to point out, though, that the Minneapolis hearings the article’s author quotes are perhaps the best – worst – example of the dishonesty of the Dworkin-MacKinnon team. I’ve read the transcript of the hearings, published by Everywoman Press some years ago, and they are blatantly rigged to silence opposing voices. The ‘evidence’ given is all unsupported opinion). On the one hand you could dismiss FHM etc as fluff which people read but don’t really care about. My friend Tammy loves the National Enquirer in that way. But there’s no corresponding voice questioning these values in the media at the same level, even among magazines aimed at women. How I’d love to see Bitch in WH Smith’s.

Re Handbags and Gladrags: I always think Batman’s utility belt is a disguised handbag. I mean, look at the stuff he keeps in there. So even Mr Macho Superhero has to know where his bat-tissues are. I have a shoulder bag with all kinds of crap in it which I do TRY not to take everywhere… and I keep notebook & pen & wallet in my pocket, along with my phone (ever since my last one got nicked from the pocket of my rucksack), but yes, it does spoil the line of my clothes. I also own a transparent plastic bag with dayglo flowers on it and matching purse, which I use sometimes. But that’s just me, I suspect. Yes, now that I think about it, I don’t know any other men with one of those…

Good review by “Ellery” of the TV programme ‘My Foetus’. Which makes an interesting counterpoint to Catherine’s review of the Toni Weschler book ‘Taking Charge of Your Fertility’. This review rang alarm bells for me – I could be wrong, but I’m fairly sure I’ve looked this book over in the store where I work, and did what I consider the most basic test for any book on the subject: what does it say about abortion & the morning-after pill? If this is the same book, and it does sound like it, there was no entry in the index for the words “abortion” or “termination”. The book may well contain really useful info (though without knowing a few people who’ve tried it out & verified that it works, I wouldn’t want to recommend it), but the lack of any mention at all about what to do if you do find yourself pregnant without wanting to be makes me suspicious, and without that, I’m not going to show the book to any customer. Years in the pro-choice movement have made me very wary of stuff like this (especially when it originates in the States, where abortion is practically a swear-word).

Cheers

Catherine Redfern, editor of The F-Word, replies

Thanks for your comments. After reading them I immediately flicked throughthe book. Weschler briefly mentions the legalisation of abortion in the U.S. in her chapter on the progress of the women’s health movement, and it is defined in the glossary. She also mentions and recommends “Our Bodies, Ourselves” (a pro-choice book if ever there was one!) several times. The tone of the book is extremely feminist and not once did I get the sense she disapproved of abortion.

It’s true that she doesn’t dwell on abortion, or go into detail about the choices for women who have already become pregnant, so you could critcise it for that. However, there are a few arguments to be made about this. The book is about using the Fertility Awareness Method (FAM) either to get pregnant or avoid getting pregnant in the first place, and spends about 500 pages alone on these issues. What to do if you do become pregnant but don’t want to be could be argued to be beyond the remit of this book (although I accept this is debatable). Secondly, I asked members of a FAM discussion list (based in the U.S.) what they thought about this. Several said that the fact she doesn’t dwell on abortion makes it easier to recommend the book to friends with differing political views on the subject. I also scoured the web for Weschler’s views on abortion, and I couldn’t find a single thing. I suspect she’s keeping schtum considering what a contentious issue it can be in the States, and since her book is popular in both camps she doesn’t want to alienate any of her readers. Finally, though, I would not want anyone to be refused access to this book on the grounds that it doesn’t cover all aspects of gyneacological health or pregnancy. Even if Weschler is personally against abortion (and I don’t believe that she is), empowering knowledge is empowering knowledge, no matter where it comes from. I found this book extremely exciting and liberating (and so do many other women). I would not want the information in it to be held back from anyone. Hope this helps and thanks for your comments,

best wishes, Catherine

From anon

Re: Soundbites – Margaret Thatcher

Maggie Thacther acted like the typical ‘lone person of her type ‘ in power. Too scared to be seen employing others like her in case its perceived as promoting ‘them’ because of who they are and not because of their capabilities. And secondly in case she is challenged by the very person she has promoted. Fears are fabulous for making you do the wrong things at the right time.

From Alex

Re: Pictures Are Not Everything: a response to My Foetus, written by Ellery.

I feel the recent debate over abortion, prompted by Julia Black’s documentary and the ‘new’ photographs of a foetus in the womb, carried by the Daily Mail, has missed a rather interesting point. No one has suggested that these images may provoke a woman to shun the idea of pregnancy, or, indeed, find it slightly off-putting.

I have always had, I guess, a romantic image of pregnancy, even though I am pro-choice. In my eyes, I would have a clump of cells, then these cells would turn into a tadpole-shaped thing, and then a scrunched-up, just about to be born, baby.

But the recent ‘new’ photos, as seen in the Daily Mail, actually made me feel quite odd and nauseous. For the first time, I saw a foetus as a kind of alien, an invasion of my body by a form that I associated with horror movies, or genetic anomalies. I felt uncomfortable with the idea that, one day, I may carry such a form inside me.

So maybe, for some women, such pictures have a reverse effect, and make them question whether they are happy with the idea of pregnancy in the first place.

Just a thought.

From Lady a

Re: Contraception and Control – Teenage Rights

I think that Megan wants control but isn’t taking responsibilty. She wants to be able to terminate every pregnancy she might have and live freely. That is the same as wanting to have a job title but not work and a recieve a check. What she is advising others to do as well as herself is very wrong.

From Amy B

Just wanted to say I loved Natasha Forrest’s article, Where Is The F Word Not An F-Word? It put into words everything that I’d long suspected after living in San Francisco three years ago; that the UK really is backward when it comes to acknowledging feminism and its influence on just about everything.

People seem more open to feminism in the States, and organisations supporting women’s causes are, in general, better funded and larger. But, it’s true, feminism often seems to be more ‘needed’ in the US, especially as the conservative right are quick to join forces and mobilise any time it looks like women are finally on the way to being recognised and treated as human beings….

Catherine Redfern, editor of The F-Word, replies

Megan was arguing for teenagers to be given access to treatment to prevent unwanted pregnancies (emergency contraception). Personally I think that is extremely responsible.

From Ashley Pearce

I am a uni student and doing some research into feminism. I was searching the web and came across your site. I think it will be very useful and also have found it very interesting on a personal level.

From anon

Re: Handbags and Gladrags
i think a woman should carry everything in her bag because from sun up to sun down you never know what you will need.

From Carly Griggs

I am very keen to become involved in feminist discussion and connecting with other women, who like me, feel just a little bit lost.

From Sarah

I love this site! It is so good to know I am not alone! I am a domestic violence case worker and spend day after day listening to women talking about the abuse they have recieved at the hands of their partners.I come to a Friday night and want to mow down every man I see. Domestic violence is about control and abuse, yet constantly I hear of the inherent and ingrained sexism that permeates through these relationships. Men whose expectation of a woman is as a servant. I never speak with a woman whose partner shares domestic chores, they always demand the womans full attention and compete subservience. Women who are in these types of relationships cannot win, whatever they do they lose, they obey him they lose they fight him they lose. He never changes, the only way out is to leave.(unfortunately women always seem to be the ones who have to run, despite being the victim of a crime) The laws in this country are a joke, can I just tell everyone that the police do not take men to court with out the womans consent. They will only prosecute if there is a truck load of evidence,(3 out of every 100 cases results in conviction) i have been with women who are cross examined by their violent partner in court, it is horrendous. Children are being made to have contact with fathers, which by the way makes me very suspicious of father for justice.In 2003 77,000 contact orders were granted, 555 were turned down, a father can’t see his children only if there is a massive reason why not, so I question just how many members of FFJ have got a dubious past, because the majority of fathers do get contact,despite what FFJ say, even many violent fathers are allowed to see their kids, unsupervised. Domestic violence is a massive issue worldwide and I could rant on for hours, but that will do for now. Look out for women you know because at least 1 in 4 are dealing with DV, and that is just the cases that are reported. We need to protect our women and children.

From Lu

Hello to all contributors and readers at the fword! The Victorian laws criminalsing prostitution are up for review soon: this stikes me as a living issue thats ripe for debate. What do the feminists of Britan think? Could we go Dutch and decriminalise or follow the Swedes and deem it violence against women?

From Rachel

Thanks for the site – it’s an essential resource, and I almost always share the articles with my mum and friends. It’s made for some interesting debates in the past.

From Marion

Hi, I have just flicked through your advice on self-defence! [Fighting Back – self-defence for women and girls] I would like to make a comment regarding the advice given on how a punch should be executed. A woman or man with little or no prior knowledge of the Martial Arts should avoid punching if at all possible. I believe that it would be far better using an open-hand, as opposed to a fist. If she or he were to strike the throat, then a fist may be appropriate, alternatively the use of a rolled-up magazine. This would also be very effective to the temple and groin area.

I am quite sure that the advice which you have been given has been thoroughly researched, however, many areas of self-defence is no more than a diluted version of karate. I understand all self-defence techniques must be practical and practised diligently. After all, it could be a matter of life or death!!

I hope that you don’t object to my observations?

Kind regards,

From Darlene Taylor

Hi, Just wanted to drop a note and say that I think your site is great. I came across it when I was looking for articles about marriage and feminism (I am planning to write something about it). I don’t think we have an equivalent site in Australia, which is a shame.

Cheers

From Sara

I am sick of being faced with pornography when I go out shopping in my local supermarket. Lads mags should be covered up, I complained to Tesco and was basically told to go away. When are women (and men) going to say enough is enough, I dont want to see pictures of under age girls exposing themselves when I am out shopping, in fact I dont want to see them full stop. The only way to stop it is to complain every time you see it.

From Marion

I read the article ‘when is the f-word not an f-word’ with much interest. But sadly I suspect that, as Rachel speculates towards the end of the article, it’s more of a New York than US experience that Rachel is having! You don’t think American football is laddish?! I only visited the states once and admittedly I stayed in a very small, rural town, but it’s the only town I’ve ever visited where there was a memorial for ‘murdered foetuses’! And I was appalled at the sexist attitudes I came across both in everyday life and in the media, which were more extreme and blatant than I thought I’d ever experienced in my small-town British existence. Back home again and putting it into perspective, I decided that perhaps it was just the cultural distance I had from the US that made sexism (and the other things…) seem more obvious. But this can also work the other way – just because feminism is different in the US doesn’t mean it’s better. Perhaps different circumstances elicit different kinds of feminist response. That doesn’t mean we couldn’t use some of their tactics of course, but I’m wary of anything that idealises the US in any way, shape or form! I’d be interested to know what an American feminist thinks about Rachel’s article. I’d be even more interested to hear about feminist activism in other countries of the world where it’s not so widely known.

From Annie Z

I’m replying to the previous comments on Catherine’s ‘Not for Girls’

article.

The intitial email from ‘Claire’ raises a couple of issues. Number one – do you work for Nestle Claire? It’s just that your pride in the increase in sales of 20% seems rather mis-placed for someone reading a pro-women, pro-fem’ website. Surely I dont need to go into detail about Nestle’s well documented exploits in the 3rd world re baby milk do I? And also is an increase in sales ok on whatever grounds? As another emailer mentioned – the Nuts ads – is this okay? Is is it okay to reinforce negative images of women to bolster sales of rather sad mags and chunky chocolate? Do we turn the other cheek because in the end it’s making these companies money and that’s what counts isn’t it?

Surprisingly, I think not. This is just an example of the insidious manner in which negative, stereotypical views of women are perpetuated. I don’t know what Claire’s life is like – is she still at school, uni, employed? Who knows, but it seems to me she beleives that this sort of imagery/message is ok. Well it isn’t. I work in a very male dominated environment. It’s very traditional and the men I work with are not ‘new men’. They’re of a certain age and opinion. I am young, blonde, and attractive [to them anyway] and I have to take high level meetings with many of them, to presuade them to part with large amounts of cash inorder to ensure that they have a consistent and good profile in the press. It’s a very fine line I have to tread between getting them to do what I want and putting myself in a position that might make me look unprofessional. I have to ‘accept’ they are going to address me as ‘pet’ and occasionally make comments that I am uncomfortable with, after all they’re clients. This is VERY frustrating. How I wish I could turn round and yell at them, ‘how dare you speak to me like that?’, but of course i dont. And before the torrent of emails come in saying: why dont I? – losing your temper is not always the right way to correct wrongs is it? Instead I manage the situation. I have gain their respect. I do a good job. I know they wouldn’t talk to a man in my position in the way they speak to me [ well it would be a little strange if they did],but – hey – that’s life. But is it? Does it have to be?

No. I sincerely hope when some of the young girls who contribute to and read this website get to my age [not that old, but comparativley not that young either!] that the men they work with don’t think it ok to assume a certain roles,patronise and make salacious comments to them as part of everyday, ordinary conversation. And how will this happen? By changing the pervasive attitudes to women that are commonly reinforced – both subtly and not so subtly – in the media, music and society. Maybe Claire hasn’t experienced this sort of sexism, the sort thats low key, embedded, almost un-noticed…

But at least they’re not patting my bum, eh Claire? But I’d rather they weren’t calling me pet either. The only way this will happen is if we take exception to adverts like the Yorkie one [i have to admit I laughed at it but i often laugh at things i shouldnt] and the Nuts campaign.

We way have won part of the battle to have women accepted as equal to men, but with the disregard Claire shows to the issues raised by that Yorkie ad, we’ll soon be back at the bottom of the heap again, and I for one don’t want to be there.

From Nu Bull

Fantastic review of ‘The Boy’ by Holly Combe. I’ve acually spent the last 3 hours researching articles on Germain Greer before coming across this review, and, I have to say, it was so refreshing to read something so brilliantly written; Holly pays credence to GG’s latest work, yet maintains her own feminity in the face of a woman I consider to be womens’ adversary in the battle to uphold our beautiful opposing sex – the male! Well done, Holly.

Regards,

From Rachel

I absolutely love all the different types of opinions and articles you have on here. I like how it’s about women’s empowerment, which respects men, and has meaningful explanations to opinions with actual evidence supporting it when needed. Great job! This is a awesome site!

From Zoe Bremer

Re: Cutting Women Down to Size
. I take the point about Michelle but am still sick of the feminist line that being overweight is somehow acceptable. It isn’t. Think how YOUR taxes are being spent on the NHS treating overweight people for diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure, breast cancer, arthritis, back pain, etc.. Most of these conditions rarely affect people with a sensible body mass index (18-21). As for being ‘good looking’, ever seen a really ugly athlete, gymnast or dancer? Probably not because being physically fit eliminates most aspects of ‘ugliness’, as does the good deportment that such people have.

Catherine Redfern, editor of The F-Word, replies

One of the points I think the article was making was to critique mainstream society’s view that only very thin women are beautiful; and the fact that other women are considered “ugly”. Ok, extreme obesity is unhealthy, but women
of all normal shapes and sizes face societal pressure to slim down to be “beautiful”.

From Kate

I would like to make a few points if I may. I stumbled across your site wholly by accident, and despite my generally apathetic state, you have moved me enough to email you. I am not a feminist as such. I do fully believe in equality, but I would never attach that label to myself, and I must admit that I have always had negative preconceptions of feminism almost certainly based on only partial knowledge of the ideologies. Anyway…

Reading your comments page, I experienced a strange sense of deja-vu. Wondering what it may have arisen from, it hit me! In your article ‘Women’s Magazines’(incidentally, incorrect usage of punctuation) appears the fragment ”Always print complimentary letters, but if you insist on printing a criticism just to show you are ‘listening to the readers’ […etc]”. Your comments page exhibits several ambiguous opinions, but only one negative one, the style of which was semi-literate, discrediting the author. I can only assume that this was the only detractor who has written to you with her opinions – either that or you choose not to print negative letters from eloquent correspondents, in order to make your publication appear ‘godlike’ and ‘wondrous’.

I also read ‘The Eminem Defence’, and would like to point out that the objectification and degradation of women and gay men is designed to shock. It gets attention and therefore makes money. Record company bosses know that the average feminist will never buy and Eminem album, but the more people that bitch and whine about his ‘offensive’ lyrics, the greater the hype, and therefore overall sales. I am not a fan, I regard his music to be childish, though occasionally amusing, but I find it almost unbelievable that clearly intelligent people such as yourselves fall into this trap. By expounding your opinions so vocally on Eminem, all you are do is further his renown.

Thankyou for taking the time to read this,

Catherine Redfern, editor of The F-Word, replies

Dear Kate, Thanks very much for your comments. One of the aims of this website is to show that feminists have a wide variety of views and often disagree with each other – that feminism itself is diverse and that it’s ok to be a feminist in different ways. I like to think that the features, reviews and comments pages demonstrate that fact – but back to that in a minute! First of all I’d like to reply to your thoughts on the Eminem article.

I do understand what you’re saying about this, and you’re right in many ways. Controversy often raises the profile of the very things we are trying to stop. It’s a Catch 22 situation, though; if there is something we are appalled by, what are we supposed to do? You either complain or not complain. By not complaining, are you condoning the problem? If we *don’t* protest about things, will they just go away? Will anything change? Is it worse to express outrage at something or to suggest that the problem is acceptable by not doing anything? It’s a very difficult dilemma and I don’t pretend to have the answer. However, I do strongly believe that nothing is beyond criticism and that we have every right to question and critique the mainstream culture rather than just accept what we’re given. In my experience, it’s the intelligent, witty critiques of popular culture on this site that get the most interest, support and feedback (and I do like to think of them as intelligent, well-written debates rather than “bitching and whining”, but I guess that’s a matter of opinion!).

Secondly to address your question about the comments pages. Do I only print supportive comments? No. The comments printed are a genuine reflection of the emails and feedback I get. Looking at them, I see a wide variety of opinions being expressed about the content of the site, often differences of opinion.

Debates about the articles are actively encouraged (see the Whose Slut? debates as a major example). If you mean criticism of the website itself rather thanspecific content, well the main example of this was the Is This Website Discriminating? debate, in which I took a reader’s criticisms, opened the debate to all, deliberated on the feedback and changed the website as a result. However, I guess you could mean there are not very many anti-feminist views expressed in the comments pages. This is for two reasons. Firstly, this website is a feminist site; it is not here to get bogged down in debates about whether feminism is right or wrong. Secondly, I have little patience for obviously ill-informed emails that simply rant about feminism in general, personally attack me or other contributors or accuse me and the other contributors of saying or doing things we have never said or did. And I’m afraid that’s generally the type of anti-feminist comments we get! Just to prove my point, here are a few examples of some of the anti-feminist comment I’ve received over the past couple of years. I’ve categorised them by type. Not for the faint-hearted, though…

Guy who claims feminists blame men for everything then proceeds to blame women for everything

“It never surprises me how completely out of whack feminists are today. Whether you are a radical, gender or egalitarian feminist you all still spout the same old and tired lines. “Blame the Men”. Please allow me to tell you all something. The only people that IMO oppress women are…..wait for it…..women. That’s right a woman’s great oppressor is most likely another woman…be it your Mother…..your Sisters or some other Female you meet in the public sphere.”

Actually, feminists never claimed women have never contributed to gender stereotpyes: both men and women perpetuate gender stereotypes. In fact, nowhere on this site do the words “blame the men” appear. This is far too simplistic – as is blaming only women, like this guy does.

Straight out abusive/homophobic guy

“This [male contributor] is either a gay or a tranny if he’s interested in feminism.”

Someone’s masculinity is threatened, that’s for sure.

So laughable it could be a spoof

“Hello, I am sick and tired of your feminist bullshit. My dear Wenches, men and women were born differently, with different roles to play, and all you seem to do is want to mees things up. Who would i rather see on the frontline, should a war come around? A woman, to appease feminists, who cannot physically match up to the demands, or a man? i know who i’d want, and it’s not a woman. Go figure. SILENCE WENCH, AND BACK INTO THE KITCHEN WITH THEE

yours sincerely, etc”

My, what a polite young gentleman!

Guy who claims feminists are ‘selfish’ then proceeds to talk about himself

“From: a *gasp* man : Wow. so…uhm, how come you femin-me-me-me-meists claim to be fighting for equality – yet you ignore the other side of the coin? Where are my equal rights as an unmarried father? Simple, i don’t have any.

Are you complaining about it ? no. So don’t lie about fighting for equality when you don’t – you fight for what benefits YOU only. Not what benefits society…just more selfish egocentricism played with a victim card. So pathetic. So selfish. My children are missing a father and have to stay in a home with a woman who can’t be bothered to cook or clean for them properly…but her ignorance is considerd better than a caring daddy…riiiiiight – the child’s interest – reeaallllly….no, i think it’s more about in the interest of the mommy’s pocket lining and seeing how much she can steal from her ex partner. so selfish. The one i like, that makes me laugh is when you address this argument to feminist minded people is the reply “well women had this for years and years” as if to suggest that suddenly two wrongs DO make a right – when it suites you. And as for the vote – you’re complaining about 10 measly years and acting as if it were hundreds or thousands… so pathetic. men had to die to get the vote..one single selfish woman died for women to get the vote. not hundreds. And where is my protection for the two jobs that i’ve been declined based purely on my sex ? GEe, i have none…cos im male. How about while i was at college and got harrassed by a girl and even touched up in front ofo a tutor? Nothing happened, not a bean – yet let’s swap sexes – and suddely i’d be barred from attending again… why – cos females ALWAYS have to be victims no matter what the scenario, you just have to play the woe-is-me card. Shame on you sexists.”

*Gasp!* A man. Pass me the smelling salts! Actually, men have contributed to this site and many men read it and are supportive of feminism. Did you get that message though: it’s selfish for women to want the vote, but it’s not selfish for men. It’s selfish for women to complain about their problems, but not, presumably, for this man. And yet again, nowhere on this site does anyone claim “two wrongs make a right”…

Guy who hasn’t read anything on the website

“All you do is sit and slag off good entertainment and cry about how ginger-bread men should be called ginger-bread people. YOU ARE ALL BATTIES!”

I thought the article by the Gingerbread Liberation Movement was a tour de force. Oh well, you win some, you lose some.

The baffling

“fu if u dont like spice girls.”

What I want, what I really, really want, is for people to READ THE BLOODY SITE PROPERLY!

“that shit y’all teachin bitches dont work…”

Shit? Y’all? Teachin? Bitches? Confused.

“Stop your filthy pro-choice campaign!”

I have a campaign now? With all that teachin bitches about shit I do, who’d have thought I’d have time?

“LESBIANS ARE MINT, get them on the front pages getting off with each other”

Now there’s the kind of reasoned debate I like to see on these pages.

‘lost cause’ guy

“[Women] belittle each other far worse than you do men. You constantly attempt to objectify yourself in the hope you can look better than anyone else and can trap-opps sorry I meant meet, a Man. You have an; ‘I want my cake and I will damm well eat it by myself’ attitude. How often I sit back in great amusement as a couple of women fight over who will be lucky enough to bed me. But let me tell you something..what makes any women think that I would want to share my DNA with them? The arrogance of women is without doubt contemptible. And the worst of the worst are feminist. You spout how much we want to be treated equally but fail to treat each other as such. You belittle everyone, mostly men, with your stupid illusions about ‘Patriarchy’-a system that if it did exist it was because women created it.to control-not Men but rather other Women. And then Feminist have the audacity to blame anyone, especially men, for their own stupid actions and behavior. No wonder us men, when we bond, all say the same thing about women…they are stupid greedy materialist whores who’s only purpose in life is to find a man who can afford to buy all those pretty little things they want. No wonder 85% of all consumerism in the West is because of females doing their shopping. Who gives a damm about the poor and hungry in the third world as long as I can have my nails done and buy that new dress from Donna Karen? But I will say this.when ever I am fortunate enough to read some Feminist literature that had at least a veritable amount of intelligence then and only then will I ever change my opinions concerning Feminists in the mean time please do not give up on attaining some intellectual insight besides reading the rants of such obviously benign and intellectually challenged women is of great amusement to me.”

Women belittle each other worse than men, do they? Funny, because it’s hard to imagine worse ‘belittling’ than “arrogrant”, “contemptible”, “stupid greedy materialist whores”, isn’t it? Next!

Man who thinks he knows feminism better than real-life feminists

“Do you know any feminists? Because it doesn’t seem like it. One cannot possibly write knowledgeably(or honestly) on the history of feminism, primarily from 1960 on and ignore, or even try to deny, the fact that the direction of feminism, it’s strategy and several of it’s most prominent proponents have been unabashedly sexist. …Feminists never seem be able to accept accountability for their actions. They *never* admit when they are wrong, even when everyone can see it in plain sight… I loved this little gem from you piece- “Feminists are the least likely people to say ‘all men are bastards’. Some of them might say ‘many men behave like bastards’.” Hahaha! Good one! …The mantra of feminism over the last 40 years has been just that- all men are bastards. Whether or not *you* personally makes comments to this effect, you cannot really be blind, or deaf, to the shrill, distinctly anti-male tone of modern feminism, can you?”

Do I know any feminists? Duhhhh……. let me think for a minute. And we *are* modern feminism, buster. Deal with it. Just because we don’t match your preconceived notion of “man-haters”, don’t take it out on me.

Hey, that was fun! Now we return you to your usual programming.

Shrilly yours,

Your Editor, Catherine ‘in the kitchen already’ Redfern

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