Games vs Girls – I don’t have the words

// 18 August 2008

gamesradar compares games to 'girls'Games Radar begins its feature on “Games vs Girls: Which is better?” with the breathtaking revelation that “by far most GR readers are guys”. Probably need to tone down the lashings of sexist bullshit before attracting any female readers, “guys”.

In order to get to the bottom of the question literally nobody is asking, we’ve broken it into categories – Availability, Obtainability, Quality, Time, Cost, Reward, Social Benefits and yes, Sexual Gratification.

Yep, that’s right – three pages comparing women to video games, on the basis of things like how “available” they both are. To be honest, I could just stop here, couldn’t I?

But I read intrepidly on through paragraph after paragraph of this tripe. On women:

They’re everywhere. They’re in line ahead of you at McBurger. They’re laughing at unfunny scenes in films. They’re sucking their bellies in at the gym. They’re buying too-tight shoes in Steve Madden. They’re giving you the come on then wanting to ‘just be friends.’ They’re looking at pictures of Matthew McConaughey.

What they’re not doing, apparently, is playing video games. Because girls don’t play games, or do anything at all except act out stereotypes.

The seemingly obligatory rape joke:

Failing this, there is, like games, a girl-obtaining underground. But as we’ve established, steal games and you’ll get arrested, steal girls and you’ll get extremely arrested. Best not to, eh?

When we come to the “quality” rating (guess what, games win).

At one end you’ve got the Tofu-hugging, sandal-wearing, bead-threading, right-on gal (or should we say Ms.). She likes: whales, sitar music, trees, hugs. She hates: make-up, celebrities, modern things, other girls. Look closely and you’ll see the first wisps of a femme-beard.

At the other end, there’s the product of medialand’s infection by celeb-rabies. Typified by the kind of self-deluding, tottering bovine that wears nothing but H&M and the very worst of airport-lounge Eurotrash ostentation. Always in pink. Always seen pointing and gurgling at the pwitty pictures of Bwittney buying a stupid f***ing burger in a stupid f***ing magazine made up only of pictures. Always, but always, screeching into a cell-phone.

It’s a good job women just don’t play games, and certainly don’t read this website, eh?

Roughly ¼ (if you’re lucky) of this will be spent doing something that makes you happy. The rest will be lost in a sea of favors, mall expeditions with purse-holding and money spent taking her special places. Buck up chap, because your reward for hanging in there surpasses any gold star a game might sheepishly dole out.

We’re talkin’ chores meals, or a host of sexual perversions she may be ready for. Yes, leveling up your Patience stat brings about more tangible riches than bragging rights at the latest murder simulator.

Spend enough time with your girlfriend, and she will cook, clean up and then sexually service you. Charming. It gets worse. Bear in mind, I’m not actually quoting the worst bits.

Negating obvious sexual fulfillment, ladies will reward you according to your aforementioned treatment. Don’t worry – it’s not like a game. You can’t accidentally drop a lady in the toilet (we’ve tried) or erase her memory (also regretfully tried). The time you spend chatting her up or playing pool might lead to untold riches. You also might learn a thing or two about the opposite sex, which will in turn assist you when you’re looking for a new girl after being inevitably dumped for a hotter, richer guy.

Comments From You

Lauren O // Posted 19 August 2008 at 12:40 am

Stuff like this makes me want to throw up, but I also just don’t really understand it fully. Do the men who have written this really believe that women fall that neatly into two stereotypes? It’s like they’ve never even talked to a girl, let alone dated one. I mean, can’t we even get more than two stereotypical options?

Surely most men, when they look for a woman to date, are looking for more than someone to cook, clean, and provide sexual service. Surely most men are looking for someone who makes them laugh, someone with whom they can have good conversations, someone who can offer them companionship, etc.

Articles like these are not only indicative of misogyny, but also of mind-boggling ignorance about basic human interaction.

Laurel Dearing // Posted 19 August 2008 at 1:01 am

oh christ thats awful. i know they like to throw around the sexist banter and ignore players but thats just slapping them in the face with a wet willy!

honestly, even as a “joke” youd think thered be SOME mention of why thy actually like women rather than just why they want to own them and absorb them. they seem like horrible creatures. get a maid and have a wank.

its just… ugly really. a joke is a joke but it stops being funny when you totally facepalm half your readers just for a thumbs up from the lads

Squigglefish // Posted 19 August 2008 at 2:11 am

As a woman with an interest in this industry, and an avid gamer to boot, I find myself extremely appalled that such content is still produced. Is it any wonder that the myth that gaming is dominated by men continues to be sustained?

There are more women online than men, and a higher percentage of women play online games than men. They might not be doing the big flashy shooters, but they are gamers and do enjoy playing games.

And that’s all deliberately ignoring the major… I don’t have the words for it. If I were to think about anything other than making female gamers invisible, I’d get very upset by this outright misogyny. I’d expect it (although still disapprove) from a lad’s mag, but… gah!

Lisa Harney // Posted 19 August 2008 at 4:51 am

On a game-related forum I was recently reading, there was a long thread about women who game, and it was mostly filled up with men who were insisting that women are inherently adverse to gaming and the women who disagreed didn’t know what they were talking about.

I think there was also the idea that women are more responsible due to doing more housework and taking care of children, and thus don’t care about recreational activities as much as men. I’d have to go diving back into that mess to see.

Anyway, I couldn’t get to the article you linked, but I did see “The Top 7 Most Irritating Female Characters” and Girl Gamer Stereotypes. Both articles displaying some obnoxiously misogynist attitudes about women.

I’m glad I am not a regular reader of Games Radar at this point. This stuff could put me off gaming.

Lauren O // Posted 19 August 2008 at 8:38 am

This stuff could put me off gaming.

Sadly, I somehow think that’s exactly what the people who write stuff like this want.

Amity // Posted 19 August 2008 at 8:43 am

Disgusting, and wholly expected. I’ve seen this attitude among gamers far too frequently. It’s getting old.

Virginia // Posted 19 August 2008 at 9:18 am

Lisa – don’t let it put you off gaming, that’s what they want you to do. It is my opinion that due to a low level of interaction with women these gamers fear being emasculated by being ‘beaten by a girl’ so do everything possible to drive women away.

Another possible problem is that the gamer menz who do occassionally treat women as humans risk being mocked if they stand up against this bullshit and so make themselves invisible in this debate. Very unhelpful of them.

Lynsey // Posted 19 August 2008 at 9:54 am

Was that written by a 15 year old boy? Seriously, what adult male classifies women in that way?

The video games industry attitude seems like it’s stuck somewhere back in the 1970s. Maybe one day Princess Peach will rescue Mario. But I doubt it.

Cara // Posted 19 August 2008 at 10:42 am


Just. wow.

You couldn’t write that misogynistic crap if you were *trying* to write a caricature…! It is satire, isn’t it? No-one could seriously write that? Oh, it…isn’t? They did?


Lauren O, I suspect they have not in fact talked to a girl. Or if they have, they use some lame chat-up line from some “how to make girls drop their pants” website – cos women are not human beings who like to be spoken to like them, oh no – and wonder why they keep getting rejected. They are VERY bitter.

For that reason, Laurel I don’t think they are 15, more like at least 25. It takes years of rejection by women to become that bitter.

Soirore // Posted 19 August 2008 at 11:04 am

Ooh I got excited because the website are doing a survey and I thought it would give us the opportunity to tell them what we think. Unfortunately they are looking for a specific kind of user I guess from the US.

The article really is absolute woman hating shit but there are loads of gaming sites that are more female friendly proving that women love games and not all male gamers are idiot misogynists. A blog I really like is: They’ve closed now but there’s lots of great stuff in the archive and links to other gaming sites with a feminist or queer approach to gaming.

Lisa Harney // Posted 19 August 2008 at 12:58 pm

Virginia, I’m a long-time gamer, so quitting’s not likely, not unless I were to run into Games Radar’s attitudes everywhere, which was the point I was trying to make.

But the misogyny in gaming is pretty deeply entrenched and I do see it in a lot of places – forums, for example, have periodic outbreaks. The forum I mentioned above is pretty good because the topic rarely comes up. The WoW forum often has at least one thread a day, and every MMO has the routine “Do women play this game?” thread that brings out the worst in men.

My first interweb fight with an MRA actually came about on a gaming forum*. I can take the gaming forums better than Games Radar because the gaming forums are forums where I can respond.

It’s just, once the people who are allegedly creating content – whether it’s the games themselves or the various game-related websites buy into and reinforce the truly vile misogyny that the male fans seem to think is so funny, I lose places to go to read about games.

So that’s what I meant, really. But I’m not sure I’d really quit games, just quit the gaming culture entirely.

Lynsey, it seems like so many men act like they’re 15 years old in gaming, which makes that question hard to answer.

* Featured these classic statements, too: “I hate seeing the words patriarchal oppression, because I don’t oppress women and this is all about meeee!”, “I treat women as if they were men, because that’s the only way I can assume they’re my equals”, and “Feminists would never allow a movie like Sex and the City starring men on the prowl”.

Leigh // Posted 19 August 2008 at 1:14 pm

Perhaps it’s time for someone to write a Games Vs Guys article- With particular emphasis on the fact that a computer game doesn’t hold double standards, nor develop ‘nice guy’ resentfulness.

Rachel // Posted 19 August 2008 at 1:27 pm

It seems to me that this article is like pornography in that it doesn’t represent actual men, just an idea of masculinity that men are conditioned to accept as the ‘right’ masculinity. Like pornography, it portrays men and women in a way that’s absurd and more of a caricature than anything else, but unfortunately there still seem to be quite a few men and women willing to accept that this is what they should aspiring to!

Aimee // Posted 19 August 2008 at 2:01 pm

I buy games magazines a lot, and I find that some are FAR worse than others. Most of them have the odd “there’s a sexy woman.. ooh ah” type rubbish, but ones like Playstation magazine are well written and try to appeal to a larger demographic, including women. I was delighted to see in a recent issue, the defense of a high profile woman in the games industry who has been subject to sexist insults and sexually derogatory comments on the internet, and the defense of the winner of ‘girl gamer of the year’, their response to many comments about how ‘hot’ she is, being “it’s not a beauty contest” and “this says a lot about the objectification of women”. Hooray for Playstation magazine! Boo to the neanderthal Games Raider.

Qubit // Posted 19 August 2008 at 3:24 pm

The more I read about how hard relationships with women are for men and what they want from women, the more confused I become about the fact men are straight.

Having watched a Lee Evans stand up where he spent the whole time ranting about his wife and women in general it made me think, being with women obviously makes you miserable so why bother.

It strikes me as a lot of guys don’t like women as friends or close partners. As long as this doesn’t effect how they treat them as colleagues and professionals this doesn’t bother me, I can’t regulate private behaviour nor do I want to. However why date people you don’t want to be around or spend time talking to or socialise with? I am beginning to think men dating women is unnatural.

RookRiot // Posted 19 August 2008 at 5:33 pm

It’s times like these I feel like shrinking out of the gaming community. I really want to get into the industry, but the thought of being surrounded by this sort of morons is enough to put a little damper on my ambitions.

Though I suppose that’s the point of the article, at least other than “Oh man, sexist = funny! Isn’t that right HetWhiteMale homeboys?!”

But I guess if we let such tactics scare us off, then the industry will only have that sort of moron, and it won’t grow. For people who love “games”, they seem to revel in relegating it to being a hobby to look down upon.

Janet Hunter // Posted 19 August 2008 at 7:11 pm

It’s sad that they’re stuck in 1950’s female stereotype land. Maybe if they got up from their screens and stopped having such a close relationship with one dimensional figures, they might meet a girl one day and quite like her. Ooops, that’s just another stereotype isn’t it? It did feel good in a very bad way though.

maggie // Posted 19 August 2008 at 8:03 pm

this kind of idiotic, lowest form of journalism, doesnt deserve the dignity of a response.

i would bother my breath with this garbage.

Sarah // Posted 19 August 2008 at 10:23 pm

Qubit, I believe they want women’s bodies, but find it frustrating and inconvenient that these bodies come attached to living, breathing human beings who they have to actually interact with and persuade to allow them access to their bodies. Or something like that. It’s the framing of a female body as a thing, a commodity, rather than an integral part of a whole person. I think that’s at the root of the resentment and misogyny you see in those comments.

I agree with your point though. I wonder exactly the same thing when I see so many couples who don’t seem to even like each other or enjoy each other’s company at all – why are they together? – and so many people complaining about how awful the ‘opposite’ sex is – why seek relationships with them then? It’s not actually compulsory!

Seph // Posted 19 August 2008 at 10:39 pm

I’ve been a gamer since before I could toddle, and it seems as iff the industry’s misogynism is worse now.

When I was younger all I had to put up with was the occasional “wow, you’re a GIRL!”

now we have articles like these, those godawful “games for GIRLS!!1” all about cooking and takign care of fluffy bunnies.

To be fair on them, most games magazines do seem to realise that women play games, but it still annoys me when they have sections going “LOL look, girls think Dante is hot!” girls often get accused of only playing games because Dante/Sephiroth/Kain is hot but guys never seem to get accused of only owning a playstation cos they like Lara.

and don’t even get me started on a recent PS3 magazine’s (I forget the name, sorry) section about slash fanfiction which baisically boiled down to “LOL some girls write stories about Dante being gay, but he’s way too manly, those silly wimmuns!111”

Bryony // Posted 19 August 2008 at 11:15 pm

i couldn’t bring myself to read the entire article but (i’m in no way whatsoever defending the article) i would like to point out that the article was in the xbox 360 section – a section PERHAPS more dominated by macho males due to the sheer amount of xbox games focused on ‘blowing shit up cus i’m a hardcore proper man’ – . the website as a whole has had SOME quite good articles in the past such as one about the best female characters in games which had a good discussion about specific representations and representations as a whole.

i spose on website like gamesrader its down to the individual writer, although, i presume it has to go through the editor?

shatterboxx // Posted 20 August 2008 at 12:25 am

Qubit, Lee Evans doesn’t hate his wife or women but he’s still not funny. Here’s one of his sets: ‘Lee: Men like football and they don’t listen or ask for directions when driving. Women like shoes and they talk in high-pitched voices and phone each other all the time. Audience: HAHAHAHA IT’S SOOOO TRUE!’

Anyway, gaming. I’ve been trying to pinpoint for ages why I’m put off by the idea of gaming but this article is a start… Anyone else want a convincing argument for why most women don’t bother even trying to get into gaming? Can we get together and brainstorm, I want to buy a PS2…

Leigh // Posted 20 August 2008 at 2:26 pm

Rachel- That’s a really sharp analysis, I shall keep that analogy in mind for future reference.

Disliking how ‘Neanderthal’ keeps getting thrown around here- it plays into the ‘caveman’ stereotype, which essentialises men as horny thugs in a not-very-healthy way. And we don’t actually KNOW what Neanderthal culture was like. They make have been the egalitarian, matriarchy that people are so keen to imagine into prehistory, for all we know.

Jennifer-Ruth // Posted 20 August 2008 at 8:32 pm

My brother writes for GamesTM and he would be ashamed for the man who wrote that article.

Brinstar // Posted 22 August 2008 at 3:01 am

@RookRiot: I am a woman, and I work in the games industry. Don’t let that bullshit discourage you. I admit that the crap that happens in gaming communities does get to you from time to time — I work as a Community Manager, so it’s my job to interact with gamers every single day, but I really enjoy the work and I’m passionate about the company and game I work for.

I honestly find most mainstream gaming communities and blogs to be full of misogyny and totally aggravating. I joined the Star Trek Online official forums, and at the time I spotted four separate threads talking about who the “hottest babes” were in Star Trek. When I questioned the existence of the thread, calling it stupid and sexist, I was shut down and called a troll.

The forum I participate in the most is a forum for feminist gamers:

It’s awesome, and you don’t get told to shut or or that you shouldn’t take thinks so seriously when you complain about and criticise the misogyny in gaming communities. :-)

Squigglefish // Posted 22 August 2008 at 3:19 am


First of all, I want to start off with the truth – most women who use the internet do actually game. Online gaming websites are extremely popular, and varied types of games are played. However this is ironically part of the very issue…

You see, just like your own (unintentional) blindness to casual gaming and relegating ‘gaming’ to mean hardcore only, this is exactly what the related industries (game development, and games journalism) have a horrible habit of also doing. Once again, women’s activities are rendered invisible.

The games development industry arose out of software engineering and IT business, both of which themselves came from highly male-dominated backgrounds. As such, the games industry became filled with male designers and programmers, and male culture sadly encourages a certain viewpoint on the world and atmosphere which made female entry into the industry hard (it is getting better, but you still have to cope with a room full of lads often). When people make products, they typically make things that appeal to themselves and their perceived peer group, and as such games became very masculine focused (killing without reason, no plot, impossible puzzles, and so on). This has led to a vicious cycle of reinforcement within the industry, whereby games are made that appeal mainly to men, so the majority of sales go to men, so games are made to target men and they recruit more men.

There is also an aspect here of how many major game developers and programmers get started. They did, and are still expected to, prolifically program in their own spare time. Whilst falling to stereotypes is a bad idea, I have noticed that generally men and women have different approaches to hobbies, and this point is helped by studies into research paper counts. Men produce more research papers than women, but the female output tends to be more highly cited. I believe the reasons for this extend to cover approaches to hobbies also.

One thing that cannot go unsaid is the influence of Japanese culture on computer games. Japanese culture is not as feminist-friendly as anglo-euro-american culture, and made more confusing for those of us outside it by their attempts to seem liberal in their media output (when their actual situation is often distinctly not).

Finally, it must be noted that progress is being made within the industry. Games are generally gaining more and more of the features demanded by women, more games are being made which do not have “random violence” as a core mechanic, women are becoming vocal about being into games, and more women are being hired. There is no short-term profit in changing by themselves. The only way to truly change their nature is to get inside get things done right, and turn the vicious nasty circle into proper happy positive reinforcement.

Jess McCabe // Posted 22 August 2008 at 10:31 am

Hi Squigglefish,

You make some great points, but I have to challenge you a bit on these two points:

Whilst falling to stereotypes is a bad idea, I have noticed that generally men and women have different approaches to hobbies, and this point is helped by studies into research paper counts. Men produce more research papers than women, but the female output tends to be more highly cited. I believe the reasons for this extend to cover approaches to hobbies also.

It’d be interesting to see that study, but I can’t help but wonder if men do more research papers because they have less demands from outside their (presumably academic) jobs, rather than anything innate?!

One thing that cannot go unsaid is the influence of Japanese culture on computer games. Japanese culture is not as feminist-friendly as anglo-euro-american culture, and made more confusing for those of us outside it by their attempts to seem liberal in their media output (when their actual situation is often distinctly not).

Hmm, I think this is a bit of a sweeping generalisation. European and US culture is not exactly feminist friendly, for a start. And where games are concerned, at least Japanese games companies acknowledge that girls and women play games (‘hardcore’ and casual), although sure they bring gender stereotypes to the game design ‘for’ women (just like US/European games designers constantly fall back on stereotypes).

With some exceptions, I’m not a fan of what I tend to refer to as ‘war games’ – as you put it, games with random violence as a core mechanic (sure a good phrase!) We also have to acknowledge that many of those games *are* coming out of Japan – see the popularity of the Wii & DS with women and girls.

Kath // Posted 22 August 2008 at 11:44 am

A couple of points:

1. Leigh – egalitarian matriarchy??

2. Jess – I don’t think squigglefish is suggesting that men produce more research papers due to anything innate: she seems to have a good grasp of the social/cultural reasons for gender differences. I should also point out that the fact that women’s papers are cited more means they are carrying out better quality research than men. Unfortunately it is often quantity, not quality, of research that is taken into account when grants are awarded, leading to indirect discrimination against female academics (and directly against better researchers of either gender).

Aimee // Posted 22 August 2008 at 5:23 pm

RE; why women might be put off gaming…

How about because there are NO female computer game characters? Hardly at all? Lara Croft was pretty much created for men to ogle. Whilst she might, in essence, be a strong role model for women, this is overshadowed by the constant ‘look how big her tits are’… ooh look we’ve made her sexier. Every single woman in a video game has massive boobs and there’s more than likely an option or a cheat to take all her clothes off. We need games that present women as autonomous beings, free from the presence of male rescuers and love interests, and without the ridiculous gravity defying breasts.

And someone really REALLY needs to do something about this ‘games for girls’ bull shit. I’ve written a scathing review of ‘the girl’s guide to games’ (which I will not dignify with appropriate capital letters) on quite a few times, but they never publish it. It’s offensive that we are deemed to only want to play games about raising babies and horseriding and bloody girl bands. GRRR. Perhaps another reason why women might not want to get into gaming so much is because we are totally alienated by the advertising!

Squigglefish // Posted 22 August 2008 at 8:11 pm

Regarding research papers, as it is such an interesting topic I actually went in search of some references. As for if the differences are innate or not, we must remember to not view the world as black or white – in this case there is a very obvious grey. Where societal conditioning has been constantly implied, it becomes impossible to distinguish between the effects of society, and innate factors.

Press release about a paper on this subject:

Discussion on a new scientist article (+ link) on the paper being announced in the press release:

Older, similar research, which discusses motivational factors also:

The effect of gender and specialisation on output:

And a very detailed study into the effect of gender and family life on publishing output:

Interestingly, it seems that although output drops whilst women are expected to look after school-aged children, I’m not sure the evidence supports this as a major factor in lowering publishing output. It seems the biggest initial issue is low initial publishing rates, which are speculated to relate to how well women are supported in their work.

This of course plays over to my theorising on hobbies, as social reinforcement (and the opposite) exists for certain hobbies for both genders quite strongly.

As for my railing on Japan, that was perhaps unfortunately stereotyping on my behalf. Much of it has been the effects of knowing the anime community, which is prone to praising Japan and saying how perfect it is, when ignoring the actual treatment of women within their culture (outside of the fairly positive media output we tend to see over in the west). You are entirely right – Japanese gaming culture is actually one of the best at successfully targeting women. It is a common source of what other commenters were complaining about – “rescue the princess” type plots that degrade women to objects, but on the other hand we also have some very strongly progressive work being done. I probably shouldn’t let my issues with the anime community infiltrate my politics :P

Anne Onne // Posted 22 August 2008 at 9:04 pm

Right. First of all, no matter how much the men into gaming/comics/sci-fi/roleplaying/insert-stereotypically-male pasttime-here like to pretend women aren’t really interested in the above, it’s not true. It never has been. No matter how hard they try to make it exclusive, how hard they try to exclude women, and how many invisible ‘BOYZ ONLY signs they put up (by being lecherous, having no courtesy for female fans of whatever, ignoring them, etc), plenty of women are still interested in whatever random area you care to choose.

Stuff like this is truly a sign to women saying ‘KEEP OUT’. Not only does it pretend that women aren’t into gaming by only addressing men, but it focuses its readers not on the subject they supposedly love, but on denigrating women, all the time reminding any women amongs the readers that they’re not really wanted.

After all, women are just these confusing things that men like to have sex with when they can. It’s not like they would be insulted by being compared to an inanimate object or a game. It’s not like they’d be insulted by being categorised in the most stereotypical manner possible. It’s not like

Yo, men of these communities, here’s a clue. Many women like these things. But you know what? Shit like this is exactly what keeps many of them away, and the others either very quiet or very angry. Why the hell would women WANT to be involved in a community that views them as barely human, a blow-up doll with a voice? You won’t make them go away with this crap, so if that’s what you’re trying, give up and grow up.

Seph // Posted 24 August 2008 at 8:44 pm

Personally I don’t find ‘rescue-the-princess’ games coming out of Japan nearly as offensive as the “sleep with a prostitute then kill her for her money” games coming out of America. Lara Croft was created in Britain and the Tomb Raider games are now produced by an American company.

Japan’s game and anime industry aren’t perfect or anywhere near ‘feminist friendly’ but people often assume all games=Japanese, iirc those godawaful “games for girls” are also a western creation, tho im not sure on that one.

I have to say in defence of Japanese games they do realise females play stereotypically ‘male’ games, hence the fanservice of a shirtless Dante in DMC3.

Anne Onne // Posted 25 August 2008 at 7:25 pm

Exactly, Seph! Japanese comics, animations and games are a HUGE industry, whole genres of their own, and so varied that whilst there is much to criticise, you can find positive portrayals of women, too. I find it ironic people can be very quick to paint non-western media as being perverted and misogynistic, whilst ignoring that much of our media is just as bad. It’s just impossible and offensive to make huge sweeping statements about a whole medium and blatantly ignore all that is wrong with our own media.

Leigh Woosey // Posted 26 August 2008 at 11:49 am

Kath – I was referring to this sort of thing The Myth of Matriarchal Prehistory

Note Cynthia Eller’s perspicacious note that:

These “matriarchies”—often called by other names—were not crude reversals of patriarchal power, but models of peace, plenty, harmony with nature, and, significantly, sex egalitarianism.

But the point I was making was that it’s hardly fair to equate Neanderthal people (wherever we put them in the hominid taxonomy, the were certainly people) with a ‘caveman’ mentality when we have next to no evidence of their culture and none of their sexual politics. I would suggest that it is in fact racism that we can more easily get away with because the last Neanderthal died before the first human founded a farm.

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