Our report on Reclaim the Night 2008

// 23 November 2008

More than 2,000 women marched to take back the streets of central London last night, in protest against male violence against women, for the fifth national Reclaim the Night event since it’s revival in 2003. Despite the bitter chill (it was the coldest night of the year so far!) it was the biggest march and certainly one of the loudest!

The reasons Reclaim the Night is needed are grim – violence against women is endemic, and the usual response is to tell women to curb our behaviour – as one of the speakers at the rally put it, this is a “mental curfew” imposed on all women. (The march is held in the lead-up to the International Day for the Elimination of Violence Against Women on 25 November.)

front of the march

London Feminist Network banner at the front of the march

But the atmosphere was joyful and inspiring as women demonstrated on behalf of their rights on the route which stretched from Whitehall past Trafalgar Square, through Soho and the West End, to the rally in Friends Meeting House on Euston Road. The protest – which at its most compact took about 10 minutes to filter past bystanders – was a flurry of beautiful banners, placards, costumes, happy faces and hundreds of women shouting their lungs out with chants calling for safe streets and safety in their own homes. There was even a singing section and a band, alongside whistles and chants.

For the most part, the reaction of the crowds was positive – with plenty cheering us on and many more asking interested questions. The Pro-Feminist Men’s Group held a small, candle-lit vigil at the Edith Cavell memorial in support of the march – an event which all pro-feminist men should be encouraged to attend in future years to show their concerns about male violence against women.

marchers with an Oxfordshire Reclaim the Night banner

As has become tradition, Spearmint Rhino was the temporary focus of a slow-down of activity. But alongside the now traditional “women are not for sale” chants, there was also a demonstration for sex workers’ rights to work and work in safety.

The Friends Meeting House was packed out for the rally, with marchers staying on to check out the stalls and hear the speakers. And it was certainly worth it.

Jennifer Moses from the teachers’ trade union NASUWT kicked off, with our own Kate Smurthwaite signing and Rebecca Morden compering. She was followed by Aravinda Kosaraju from the Coalition for the Removal of Pimping, who movingly told of the work the organisation does to combat children being groomed into prostitution.

some of the stalls

Marchers puruse stalls before the rally speeches begin

She said that young girls – the vast majority of children in prostitution the group encounters are girls – are seen as “little tarts”, even though some are as young as 11. Although the rape conviction rate hovers at a shocking 5% in England and Wales, the conviction rate for cases in CROP’s experience is more like 2%, she said.

Next to speak was Gita Patel, from Imkaan – an organisation that supports refuges for Asian women. She said that 50% of refuges for black and ethnic minority women have already been lost, and, again, movingly reminded us why it’s so important that these services exist for women and children hit by the “disease” of domestic violence.

speakers

Speakers address the rally

Jane Gregory from Rape Crisis Bradford – and also the vice-chair of Rape Crisis England and Wales – gave an update on the situation for the centres. Although the government’s “emergency fund” meant that nine centres stayed open this year, and 11 were not forced to cut services, she said that many were forced into a situation where they were “clinging on and waiting” for the money for months. Meanwhile, 11 centres will be at risk next year, she said.

Finally, the rally was closed with a typically rousing speech from Finn Mackay, who of course was the one to restart RTN five years ago. She got us all fired up, and the response from the crowd was a standing ovation.

On our feet

– Jess McCabe & Louise Livesey

UPDATE: You can see Finn’s speech on YouTube :-)

You can see all my photos from the march on Flickr. I’ve also added them to The F Word pool on Flickr – feel free to add yours too :-)

Reflections on the march from bloggers and others – I’ll add to this list as I spot posts:

London Feminist Network report

Shut Up, Sit Down

(I was going to update this with a full list, but I can see that womensgrid has already put one together – so go check theirs out.

Were you at the march? A veteran RTNer, or attending for the first time? If you have any reflections on the protest, please add them as a comment or email us.

Comments From You

Amity // Posted 24 November 2008 at 9:13 am

Looks like a great turn-out and a fantastic night. I’m really gutted I couldn’t go this year. Next time, for sure!

JENNIFER DREW // Posted 24 November 2008 at 11:36 am

This year was my third attendance at London’s LFN RTN march. It was inspiring seeing so many diverse women marching in unison and challenging men’s right to inflict violence on women and children. Two minor incidents involving men attempting to disrupt the march by using abusive language were swiftly dealt with by female police officers. The men were hustled away and I’ve no doubt they were very surprised at such action being taken by female police officers.

Rally was inspiring but also hearing the harsh reality of government’s refusal to actually ‘walk the walk’ but as usual making empty claims concerning funding was no surprise to me.

Women’s right to live lives free from male violence are not on the male-dominant agenda which is why so many centres for black and non-white women are being closed, due to lack of government funding. So what is new about that? CROP speaker spoke the truth teenage and pre-teen girls are increasingly being targetted by male pimps intent on sexually exploiting them. Of course all females are ‘tarts’ or ‘whores’ – this is the language of patriarchy and male-dominant society. But CROP are doing what they can to challenge male belief in right of sexual access to all women and girls.

eleanargh // Posted 24 November 2008 at 5:09 pm

I was seriously put off marching this year by the LFN’s support of Julie Bindel’s close-minded opinions on trans issues (http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-9516.html#) – I’m pretty glad to see she wasn’t speaking, as she did last year when she told us that acceptance of women wearing the headscarf wasn’t feminist… that made me sad. Still, nice to see lots and lots of people went along this year!

Fulvio // Posted 25 November 2008 at 1:34 pm

Hi, I am a guy who just happened to come across the march and decided to take some footage with my low-spec camera. I have uploaded it at http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=2hfi6tj&s=4

Northern Jess // Posted 25 November 2008 at 3:52 pm

I thought the march went really really well, took my friend along for her first ever protest march and she was incredibly inspired, esp by the turnout. Thought the crowds reaction was good, saw a lot of people seeming to take on board what we were chanting etc and the speakers at the rally were all very good- could have done with more time, note for next year, but by the end I was so proud of everyone, but also so full of rage that we have to do these things in the first place!

alba // Posted 26 November 2008 at 6:51 pm

“As has become tradition, Spearmint Rhino was the temporary focus of a slow-down of activity.”

What a terribly poor tradition to uphold. If only the people on that march could all happily allow women to choose what to do with their own bodies.

To quote another blog:

It’s not appropriate, to put it mildly, for an event supposedly aimed at uniting women and getting us all fighting for the same cause, to splinter off in this way, with some women staying behind to bay at an establishment inside which women are working.

http://dontstray.wordpress.com/2008/11/23/reclaim-the-night-time-to-end-the-charade/

That blog also quotes another one:

“As with last year, the march passed by Spearmint Rhino on Tottenham Court Road. As with last year, a bunch of women chose to stay behind, booing at the locked doors and generally making a spectacle. This year, a group of pro sex worker feminists also stopped outside the doors, with red umbrellas and placards, to protest for sex workers’ rights and to out-sing the anti-porn protesters.

And do you know what? My first thought regarding this year’s pro-sex worker counter-protest was “Good for them, I’m glad they are there.”

It annoyed me last year, and it annoyed me even more this year, that a group of women supposedly marching to reclaim the night would leave the march to stand yelling outside a strip club. Reclaim the Night is not about stripping, it’s about women’s unity and our right to walk the streets at night. I’d love it if it could be possible for us to actually stay united for the evening, rather than pootling off on a tangent about strip clubs.

What good does a group of overprivileged middle-class anti-porn women shouting outside Spearmint Rhino do? The doors are locked, the punters don’t care, and the women working there will feel intimidated and othered.”

http://shutupsitdown.co.uk/2008/11/23/reclaim-the-night-2008/

[This comment has been edited. Originally, the commenter put the URL for someone else’s blog in when submitting their comment – which may have made it look like they were the same people.]

Jenny // Posted 28 November 2008 at 4:16 pm

Alba, sorry to ruin your little rant, but I am neither middle-class nor overprivileged (or even white) but I was at the march. I’m sorry that you fail to see the link between men’s views of women as sex objects and sexual violence against women. I happen to think they are intimately linked, so long as men can continue to purchase women’s bodies so will they continue to see women as less than human enabling them to distance themselves from us, to stop themselves empathising with our pain and to continue raping us. I refuse to be silenced about how disgusted I feel with strip clubs, you’ll have to learn to deal with it.

Sabre // Posted 28 November 2008 at 5:06 pm

alba, there’s a lot of evidence that where strip clubs, lapdancing joints etc are, there is an increase in local violence/harassment of women. This obviously happens mostly on the street, so I think a march about a woman’s right to feel safe on the streets is right to address this, although I can’t really comment on whether the protest was the best way to do this. They are linked though, in the direct way I mentioned and the indirect but still relevant way that jenny descibed.

Chloe // Posted 28 November 2008 at 6:00 pm

here’s some pictures of our trip to London for RTN:

http://www.facebook.com/photos.php?id=284101908#/album.php?aid=112433&id=284101908

it’s a bit banner centric, I do apologise but we spent so long making the thing!

It was well worth the trek from Liverpool!

Bekk // Posted 28 November 2008 at 7:06 pm

I also like the way it is assumed that the protesters were not ex-sex industry workers themselves. Or how Anji knew they were middle class and over privileged??

And to all those who *bayed* (another disgusting term to level at women) out side of the club (the establishment not the women) bloody well done!

v // Posted 28 November 2008 at 7:29 pm

yeh, it might be worth noting the class status of the women who wrote the articles you linked up, alba. neither is a sex worker either.

however a woman who does have experience of male violence in the sex industry has written too about the march, here http://rmott62.wordpress.com/2008/11/25/so-prostitution-just-a-service/

in her own words, “I found it very triggering when I went to London RTN, and found a pro-prostitution lobby on the march.”

is an anti violence against women march an appropriate place for a pro-prostitution bloc? is it a problem at all that some women might find that intimidating and triggering?

does anyone believe the women working in spearmint rhino are so stupid as to not know who and what is being protested?

do people really believe it likely that the “pro sex workers rights” bloc were more representative of women in that industry than those protesting it? that those pro women were less middle class, less ‘overprivileged’ than those anti women?

its possible that both groups contain all, none, or some element of actual ‘sex worker’ voices. but who cares, right, when we can make assumptions and use them to be insulting and patronising.

also, accusing a group of women on a womens liberation protest of ‘baying’ sounds kinda misogynist. and the existence of women inside an institution does not make it an inappropriate or invalid target for feminist anger or protest. or perhaps we should never protest anything just in case some women support it, so thats the tory party and the catholic church out, then.

Michelle // Posted 28 November 2008 at 9:23 pm

Thanks for the write-up and pics.

I thought the march was good this year, I do always enjoy the atmosphere at RTN, getting that many women together to raise our voices against male violence is certainly empowering and we have every right to make our voices heard on this issue, in this way.

I was glad to see a diverse range of speakers at the march; I went away knowing stuff I hadn’t before, which is good, because often at these sorts of things you do get the same stats repeated to you, but I was able to gain an insight into other aspects of the issue of male violence against women, and the govt’s attempts (or lack of) at tackling it, particularly from the speakers of CROP and Imkaan.

I agreed with those speakers who said that we need to keep turning out for these events, increase our numbers, so that the message starts getting through. However, I do think we need to be doing more in between the marches, within our communities, in our workplaces, with local authorities, and trade unions, to try and effect some real, concrete change. We need to be doing stuff in addition to marching.

polly styrene // Posted 29 November 2008 at 9:12 am

Alba you refer to a group of ‘over privileged middle class women’ protesting outside Spearmint Rhino.

How do you know the history of the women on the march, or what class they are? I happen to know that at least one of them IS a former prostitute (the term SHE prefers to use) who suffer horrific rape and abuse, including gang rapes and beatings whilst working as a prostitute. She gave up it up after nearly being murdered. She worked in clubs similar to Spearmint Rhino as well. She became a prostitute at 14 after a childhood of sexual abuse.

Meanwhile many of those advocating for “sex workers rights” ARE spoilt middle class women. The author of the blog you cite has never been a sex worker. A lot of them seem to be twenty something graduates who would never dream of doing sex work themselves, and are never going to have to face that choice, but are quite happy for poor women to be forced to do it. I imagine the workers from Spearmint Rhino, who have to cope with daily hassle and abuse from men, aren’t likely to be bothered by people waving placards anyway.

And as has been pointed out elsewhere (I wasn’t on the march, but I’ve read reports by people who were), the protesters were shouting at the MEN going into the club, not the women working there.

I don’t know if you ARE a sex worker Alba, but if not, is it a job you would ‘choose’ for yourself? If you had the choice of being say, a journalist, or a doctor, or a lawyer instead, would you choose sex work?

Jess McCabe // Posted 29 November 2008 at 10:21 am

If only someone would ask the actual women working in Spearmint Rhino that night, hey?!

Realistically, we who were on the march have no idea what that experience was like – is it possible to hear what is being chanted/shouted from inside, for example? Did it feel intimidating? Did it provoke a reaction from the men working and visiting the club?

And that’s even before you get to questions about the actual views of women working at the club – it’s sheer speculation that they’d agree with either set of protesters.

Maybe next year it would be a good idea to have someone slip into the club before the march and try and gauge what the reaction is, if any.

v // Posted 29 November 2008 at 4:13 pm

jess – are you suggesting that feminist protest of any institution is not valid, is inappropriate, even unfeminist, if that institution can find some women who will agree with them?

you say, “we who were on the march have no idea what that experience was like” – but again i must point out that *you do not know that*. anji does not know that. debi does not know that. its just being assumed, and then sexist – blatantly sexist, eg “baying” “hysterical”, language is being used to shut down feminist dissent.

you said “it’s sheer speculation that they’d agree with either set of protesters. “. well yeh, exactly. but the anti protest is not about those women specifically, its about the culture that Spearmint Rhino represents; about the effect such establishments have on all women and girls who live or work or play in the surrounding area and beyond; about punters who feel they have the right to treat women like a commodity; about establishments that exploit their workers in the way places like that do; about giving women who have direct experience of sex industry exploitation a space to voice their anger and shove two fingers up at it – “our bodies are not for sale!”.

there are many reasons for this protest and it is absolutely appropriate on an anti violence against women march. however i do not agree at all with anji (who called it ‘brave’) or anyone else who thinks that a march which is made up of survivors and supporters, to draw attention to the problem of violence against women not just in the UK but all over this planet, is an appropriate place for a ‘bloc’ of pro sex industry lobbyists. its one thing to join the march protesting violence against sex workers – ffs no feminist would disagree with that – but its another thing protesting the march and the anti protest itself as if it is feminists that are the problem or source of the violence.

v // Posted 29 November 2008 at 4:31 pm

i also wanted to say that debi crow, who was linked earlier and is responsible for the ‘baying’ comment, goes further on her post about reclaim the night and says the protesting feminists were “howling (yes, like a pack of dogs)”.

The misogyny is not under any sort of disguise there at all, so why would anyone link it here as if it was a feminist evaluation of reclaim the night? can we not agree at least that referring to a feminist protest as ‘a pack of dogs’ is misogynist and anti feminist??

v // Posted 29 November 2008 at 4:56 pm

apologies for multiple posts, but people want to know what the Spearmint Rhino employees think? Google is your friend. I found this BBC article from Nov 4th 2008:

“Angry lap dancers have taken part in a protest against government plans to reclassify them as sex workers.

Campaigners against the clubs want them to be relabelled as ‘sex encounter establishments’ and say councils should be given more control over them.

But the Lap Dancing Association, which represents a third of the industry’s clubs, claims this would stigmatise performers.

Its members say sexual activity does not take place in regulated clubs.

On Tuesday, lap dancers Lynsey Catt, Sian Wilshaw, Katherine Martinez, and Sharon Warneford presented a petition with nearly 3,000 signatures to Number 10 Downing Street, on behalf of the association.

..

Elaine Reed, a spokeswoman for the Spearmint Rhino Gentlemen’s Clubs chain, said: “The workers within our industry are absolutely horrified that the Government are trying to rebrand us as part of the sex industry.

“It’s quite clear we are not part of the sex industry, we never have been and we don’t intend to be.

“Our clubs are controlled; there’s no sexual activity going on.”

She said any changes would be detrimental to the industry and it would not be fair for lap dancers to be labelled as sex workers.

“They will leave the industry because they don’t want that tag. The feeling is that if these changes are made the whole face of the industry will change, and not for the better,” she said. ”

source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7709202.stm

So there you go, what Spearmint Rhino workers say for themselves – they are not sex workers, they do not want to be referred to as sex workers. So what exactly were those sex industry apologists doing outside Spearmint Rhino protesting that ‘sex work is a choice’ etc? They werent representing the women inside, thats for sure.

Now I happen to disagree with these SR workers that there is no sexual element to lapdancing or lapdance clubs, and I support the change in licensing. But thats not the point here – the point is that those people who claim to be representing the SR workers by protesting a feminist march didnt even make the effort to google what those women actually think, want, or support.

This shit stinks.

delphyne // Posted 29 November 2008 at 5:03 pm

“If only someone would ask the actual women working in Spearmint Rhino that night, hey?!”

If only Spearmint Rhino had asked all the women who have to walk past the place day in day out if they want to visit Tottenham Court Road, how they felt about having to be in the vicinity of a strip club that puts out the message that women are for sale. Do you think women who have to walk in the vicinity of Spearmint Rhino feel intimidated by the club’s existence and the male customers who have no problem seeing women as sexual objects for their use? Does the club care? Does anybody care?

It appears that the clubs’ freedom of speech and action is not to be questioned, however any woman who loudly objects to fleshmarkets on London streets even once a year needs to be a good girl and keep quiet lest she offend someone who her prostest wasn’t even directed at.

Jess McCabe // Posted 29 November 2008 at 7:04 pm

v, delphyne – the point I was making was simply that the debate has become comically detached from reality, when we start arguing at length about the impact these actions had on women inside the club without actually finding out what they think about it.

I think the point is fair enough, when there’s been a lot of debate and speculation about the impact on the women in the club (the same questions were raised last year, actually), and even a ‘counter-protest’.

I think the same applies to both sets of protesters – there’s a risk that the protesters against spearmint rhino could be misinterpretted by women inside as somehow blaming or criticising or seeking to intimidate them (although there was an effort to make sure pro-woman chants were used). There’s also a risk that women who did experience working in spearmint rhinos as oppressive and objectifying could have felt sidelined and let down by protesters shouting about how their’s is a job like any other.

Even if we end up disagreeing with what women in the club might say, I just think it’s important to ask (if possible) and listen to the response.

I definitely don’t think that anyone should “be a good girl and keep quiet”!!! As if!

delphyne // Posted 29 November 2008 at 9:23 pm

If you’re not telling women to be good girls and keep quiet, then why are you saying that there can only be a protest if another group of women give it the OK?

I think you’re missing the point Jess. The only people’s feelings who you think count are the women within the club and it’s not as if anybody knows what they are – all this is speculation. Why shouldn’t women who are disturbed and hurt at the existence of strip clubs and other places where men feel that they have the right to go and buy access to female bodies, protest them?

The feelings of the women protesting strip clubs are just as valid as the feelings of the women within the club. There isn’t some kind of hierarchy you know.

Jess McCabe // Posted 29 November 2008 at 9:40 pm

If you’re not telling women to be good girls and keep quiet, then why

are you saying that there can only be a protest if another group of

women give it the OK?

When did I say I thought the anti-Spearmint Rhino protest shouldn’t have happened?

delphyne // Posted 29 November 2008 at 9:49 pm

So what was your point about asking the women inside Spearmint Rhino (who the protest wasn’t even aimed at) how they felt about it if it wasn’t to get the protesters to modify their behaviour if the response was negative?

Almost every other person who has used that argument has been heavily criticising the fact that anybody on the march dared protest Spearmint Rhino. I guess I assumed you were in that camp because you were using the same rhetoric.

Jess McCabe // Posted 29 November 2008 at 10:30 pm

delphyne, it’s not about modifying anything, or stopping any protests going ahead.

I’m sure that women involved in protesting SR on RTN would like to know if they’re not effectively getting across the message that they’re not targetting the women who work in the club. That’s why I gave the example of whether or not it’s possible to hear what the chants are from inside – if it just sounds like shouting, then it’s good to know that. It would also be an opportunity to actually explain what the point of the protest is.

On the other hand, talking to women working at the club it might become clear that they do know the protest isn’t criticising them, or targetting them, in which case we can all stop worrying about it.

Talking to women in the club might uncover other issues, or prompt other ideas. Who knows, if no-one tries it out?

v // Posted 29 November 2008 at 11:50 pm

feminists protesting the sex industry have been clear that women are not the targets for decades, jess – the straw feminist crap that suggests they are ‘anti sex worker’ is as old as the hills, as is the suggestion that women should modify their tone if they want to be taken seriously or treated better.

if anji or debi or alba or any of the pro sex industry bloc on the march gave a flying fuck what the spearmint rhino women think and whether they wanted or supported their anti-protest protest they wouldve, they shouldve, checked before they did it and before they wrote those patronising, infantilising blog posts. its no fucking good saying now, oh maybe next year we should ask them if they want us there supporting their rights as sex workers. no, you shouldve checked first.

some people are blatantly appropriating the issue of sex workers rights for their own personal vengeance mission against feminism or specific feminists. its insulting, its offensive, its sick. its nothing new though, anti feminists have been doing it a long time. i just dont get why all of a sudden feminists are taking it seriously.

v // Posted 30 November 2008 at 1:19 am

jess said “When did I say I thought the anti-Spearmint Rhino protest shouldn’t have happened?”

the problem, as i see it, is that you havent expressed an opinion either way.

which wouldnt be an issue, for me, if it werent for the fact that a post at shutupsitdown is linked from this fword post, despite it containing some misogynist and anti feminist slurs and an amount of condescending classism to boot, aimed at women on the anti sex industry protest. and then on top of that, alba linked to and quoted from the dontstrayfromthepath blog, where debi refers to a feminist protest as ‘a pack of dogs’, as if debi was providing a reasonable, even feminist critique of the march.

if that behaviour was coming from anywhere else, i dont think you would have trouble identifying it as bigoted, as appropriation, as ignorant, and as anti feminist trolling. but somehow its getting a pass right now, and thats not comical, its fucked up.

delphyne // Posted 30 November 2008 at 1:20 am

Feel free to go ahead Jess. If you like the plan you should definitely do it.

Still I don’t think that protesters need to consult the people in the club before protesting the club. It’s not like the workers there consult other women about how they feel about them working at Spearmint Rhino nor, as I said, did the owners consult women who might be offended by it before they opened it.

As for whether they’ve got the message across, do you expect the rest of the marchers on the RTN march to consult all the people they pass on the street to see if they are getting their message across? Do you see the problem with that idea? Maybe some of the protesters just need to say “No” to sexual exploitation one night a year.

But if you want to conduct a survey then like I said you should definitely go ahead.

Zenobia // Posted 30 November 2008 at 6:16 pm

On the other hand, talking to women working at the club it might become clear that they do know the protest isn’t criticising them, or targetting them, in which case we can all stop worrying about it.

Talking to women in the club might uncover other issues, or prompt other ideas. Who knows, if no-one tries it out?

Well, there’s the voice of reason right there.

And, I’m not sure how this is being construed as Jess telling the women inside to ‘shut up and be good girls’. Could someone explain?

In fact, I would probably say that this step should have been taken before organising anything. It’s essential, if anything, to avoid a division and a distance between ‘feminists’ and ‘oppressed women’, in order to avoid having subjects and objects of feminism.

Debs // Posted 1 December 2008 at 8:21 am

Just to say I’ve no idea who ‘alba’ is, or why she chose to use my blog post as her URL when commenting. And, ‘alba’, if you could not do that in future I’d appreciate it – thanks.

Jess McCabe // Posted 1 December 2008 at 6:15 pm

v, although I don’t agree with some of what Anji says in her post, I don’t think it’s misogynist, anti-feminist, trolling, appropriation, ignorant or in any way pro-lap-dancing. I posted a link to her post not because I agree with everything she says, but because I was gathering together all and any responses to Reclaim the Night. I haven’t read Debi’s post yet, but I think maybe she wasn’t actually there if that’s how she’s described the protesters, as that’s nothing like what I saw – I was a runner on the march.

(Incidentally, I’m aware our list of responses needs updating – I’ll try to get on with that soon).

Just to be completely clear, and not that it is particularly important, but I obviously do think Spearmint Rhino is good target for activism. The things I am suggesting are things I personally think would make that activism better. I’ve been mulling this over during the last few days and I think I will try and do some of them myself, given that I think it’s worthwhile to mention them I suppose I should follow through! I’ll try and report back somehow on how I’m doing.

But I was actually drawn into making this suggestion not in response the protests on RTN themselves, but the long, drawn out discussion of them on various blogs.

Personally, what I got out of the march was a sore throat from all that shouting and whistle-blowing :-) and an injection of inspiration, from the amazing atmosphere on the march.

Cath Elliott // Posted 1 December 2008 at 11:32 pm

V – “some people are blatantly appropriating the issue of sex workers rights for their own personal vengeance mission against feminism or specific feminists. its insulting, its offensive, its sick. its nothing new though, anti feminists have been doing it a long time.”

Spot on.

v // Posted 3 December 2008 at 3:27 pm

Zenobia: “I’m not sure how this is being construed as Jess telling the women inside to ‘shut up and be good girls’. Could someone explain?”

Youve misunderstood, it seems as if it is the anti sex industry protesters who are being told to shut up and be good girls. You know, instead of ‘screaming’ like a disrespectful, hysterical, embarassing ‘pack of dogs’, which is what they are being described as.

Jess – i left a comment an anjis about exactly what i found so objectionable about her post. I dont think its appropriate to cnp it but here is the link:

http://shutupsitdown.co.uk/2008/11/28/shouting-stripping-and-semantics/#comment-1646

Gregory // Posted 19 January 2009 at 5:25 pm

“Spot on.”

A perfect bullseye in fact, the tear in the paper can’t be seen

“some people are blatantly appropriating the issue of sex workers rights for their own personal vengeance mission against feminism or specific feminists. its insulting, its offensive, its sick. its nothing new though, anti feminists have been doing it a long time.”

That is what is going down.

the future is ASACP & FSC and other porn industry funds directed towards anybody in the UK prepared to stand in front of a strip club or brothel and kiss a pimp.

Tens of millions of bucks of ‘gag that bitch’ transaction processing sex worker liberation is in Switzerland and they would prefer to be in London, because that was the ASACP plan.

Do a google for Eurorevenue and Max Hardcore, that’s the blueprint of sex worker trade unionism.

http://docs.eurorevenue.com/custodian.html

Those people do not think Obama is going to chill to what they do. That is North America becoming the European porn industry.

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