Horne & Corden

// 13 March 2009

This is problematic in so many ways, but we could start with the anti-breast-feeding sentiment (how dare a woman openly breastfeed, almost as though there was nothing wrong with it!)…

(H/T Nick)

Comments From You

polly styrene // Posted 14 March 2009 at 12:56 am

Horne & Corden are problematic full stop. Especially their latest venture ‘lesbian vampire killers’ in which James Corden constantly repeats the word ‘lesbian’ with hilarious consequences! That’s just judging from the trailer BTW, I wouldn’t pay to see it.

Anna // Posted 14 March 2009 at 2:48 am

Horne and Corden is so bad even the Metro ripped the shit out of it for misogyny and homophobia. It was impressive!

Aimee // Posted 14 March 2009 at 9:14 am

THat’s just yuck, really.

Especially the sentiment that it’s okay to breastfeed, but only in a way that HE, a man, approves of.

And then there’s the giant comedy breasts. Let’s all have a laugh at women

Jess McCabe // Posted 14 March 2009 at 9:26 am

Ahh, OK, I’ve never seen the show before…

Luce // Posted 14 March 2009 at 10:29 am

Hmm. Very irritating! H & C is the worst type of comedy – primarily because it’s dull, but also because it relies heavily on hackneyed steretypes ad nauseum. They seem to think that just because one of them is fat and willing to point it out every five minutes that they have hit on the comedy holy grail. What *is* funny is that they think so little imagination/talent is required to produce a decent sketch show. As for the lesbian vampires…well, lesbianism is obviously hilarious…um…not sure why…

Catherine Redfern // Posted 14 March 2009 at 10:42 am

This is disgusting. I am really shocked. It’s like Little Britain, but worse…

Mary // Posted 14 March 2009 at 12:10 pm

OH GOOD GOD. Go James Corden’s mum, though:

“And my mum said, “James, it is completely natural.”

I totally recognise this. Middle-class lads in their twenties whose mums breastfed and whose partners and female friends will probably breastfeed, but who are still in that ‘tee hee hee, oh golly, a breast!” stage: it’s TOTALLY my brothers. A couple of my friends breastfed their babies during mine and my partner’s civil partnership ceremony, and afterwards, my brothers (28 and 25) couldn’t stop going on about it. “Like, they were BREASTFEEDING! Snigger snigger snigger!” I was completely non-plussed, as it hadn’t occurred to me that they wouldn’t – top quality way to keep a 8-month-old quiet! – and my mum also breastfed all three of us, so it’s not like they’ve got any family reinforcement of breastfeeding = weird. I think they are just young and middle-class enough that they really haven’t had any friends who were nursing mothers yet.

My reaction was completely, genuinely “Um yeah, of course they were breastfeeding – what? Seriously, are you freaked out by that?” – and they were both tripping over themselves to be Mr Urbane and Sophisticated and to pretend they hadn’t thought anything of it. Now, if I bring it up, T is insists that it wasn’t him who found it funny, it was J, and he was just sort of going along with J finding it funny, and J is saying the same about T, which I find hilarious.

So I bet the same happens to Corden and Horne as they get into their thirties (though they’ll probably still swear that there are “right” “discreet” ways of breast feeding and “wrong” “flaunting it” ways): as their partners and female friends start having kids and breastfeeding, it’s just going to become normal.

So I think it really says more about the culture of the BBC3 production team than it does about Corden and Horne themselves that nobody said, “Um, guys? You realise that, as well as being kind of misogynist, this makes you look really immature and juvenile?” The team must be completely overwhelmed by what the mid-20s middle-class male demographic finds giggly, which is pretty damn shite.

(Also, Mat Horne was in my year in sixth-form. STOP MAKING MY SCHOOL LOOK BAD, MAT HORNE.)

Josie // Posted 14 March 2009 at 2:17 pm

Is that Kathy Burke sitting in the director’s chair and laughing heartily in the first part of this clip??? If so, I’m seriously disappointed – don’t know if she identifies as a feminist but always saw her as someone who would be above this sort of trash. I’ve always thought that Horne and Corden were nothing but a pair of talent-free zones and this clip just proves that they’re a pair of misogynists too. Corden sounds SERIOUSLY threatened and disturbed by the very idea of a woman brazenly breastfeeding in public, which would be amusing if it wasn’t so disturbing. And by the way, does anyone else think that Gavin and Stacey is the most over-rated program of the last 5 years (at least)?

Kez // Posted 14 March 2009 at 2:40 pm

Oh, God. As of bloody Little Britain wasn’t enough. (I sometimes wonder if David Walliams has any idea how much aggro he’s caused for breastfeeding mothers with that particular pathetic sketch.) Ever feel like you’re banging your head against a brick wall, over and over again?

Well done Horne and Corden, you’ve just used up any residual Gavin & Stacey-related goodwill I may have felt towards you.

Kez // Posted 14 March 2009 at 4:53 pm

Josie – yeah, Kathy Burke directed it. Weird.

Thought Gavin & Stacey was fab, though. What they are missing here is clearly Ruth Jones.

Colin // Posted 14 March 2009 at 7:27 pm

I haven’t watched the above clip (YouTube is now saying it’s no longer available), but I did watch the first edition of H & C. In a word – dire.

As Luce points out, the main joke seems to be that Corden is fat and willing to get his kit off at the drop of a hat. The homophobia of the first show was pretty jaw-dropping, especially the camp reporter portrayed by Horne, which was almost identical to the stuff Duncan “Chase Me” Norvelle used to do (another straight bloke trading on outdated gay stereotypes – anyone remember him?)

Have to say, though, I am faintly disappointed to discover that Corden is like this. As a fat guy with confidence issues, I find there’s a dearth of role models in the public eye (and let’s not even begin to mention a certain C.Moyles), and (perhaps rather bafflingly given the unpleasantly laddish nature of his & Horne’s comedy) he doesn’t seem to have any problems in attracting women.

Amity // Posted 14 March 2009 at 8:19 pm

Yawn. Thinking that breastfeeding is weird or gross is so passe.

Joana Andrade // Posted 15 March 2009 at 8:55 am

And what are exactly the appropriate places to breastfeed?

Aimee // Posted 15 March 2009 at 9:14 am

Bleugh… they’re just a couple of pillocks really.

Josie… I think MOST comedy is overrated. Little Britain is the most horrible, lowest common denominator piece of arse i’ve ever seen. Horne and Corden are just as bad… Gavin and Stacey was completely overrated. Why? BEcause they all rely on tired, overdone pathetic stereotypes because our narrow minded society lacks the imagination to do anything else.

Alice // Posted 15 March 2009 at 3:27 pm

I’ve only seen the trailers for this garbage, & I thought it looked pretty missable. It sounds like a load of puerile tripe. But what else do you expect from BBC3? Like Mary said, I wonder whether Horne & Corden are aware that they’re making themselves look like prize idiots on national TV! Although the phrase ‘filthy lucre’ springs to mind.

Coincidentally, I remember James Corden being in Hollyoaks a while ago, & he played a pretty disgusting character in that too, if I remember rightly.

yeomanpip // Posted 15 March 2009 at 10:20 pm

“Gavin and Stacey is the most over-rated program of the last 5 years”

Agreed.

And it looks like Horne & Corden are the new Lucas & Walliams.

BBC3 should just employ a duo made up of a fat man and a thinner man, changing one talentless duo for another annually, but continue rolling out the same tired old ‘jokes’ and to save a bit of the licence fee just name it “Overrated & Misogynistic”

Posie Rider // Posted 16 March 2009 at 2:12 am

What makes these two douche-bags think they are some sort of national treasure and can therefore get away with producing such trite? Cilla Black might get away with it but not them. They are actors and everyone knows actors can’t write, they can direct sometimes, but never write.

Don’t worry girls they shall pay the price with time: pride comes before the fall…

Would anyone like to boycott their lesbian vampire film? I would be so up for it!

Kez // Posted 16 March 2009 at 9:19 am

I’m interested to hear that people think Gavin & Stacey relied on tired stereotypes, because what I liked about it was that I honestly didn’t think it did do that. I certainly didn’t think the humour derived from the fact that two of the characters were overweight… OK, you couldn’t fail to notice it, but in terms of the characters, Ruth Jones’s character in particular, it was pretty much of a non-issue. Admittedly I didn’t see every episode, but I can only recall one reference to Nessa’s weight, which was in the context of her pregnancy and wasn’t derogatory. Maybe I’m missing something, though. Would be interested to hear why people think the characters were stereotyped.

Sorry, I know this is a bit off topic, but not that much given that the post is about Horne & Corden. In whom I am now extremely disappointed.

Jessica Burton // Posted 16 March 2009 at 9:44 am

I was visiting my sister and her girlfriend in Nottingham when we walked past a poster for the film ‘Lesbian Vampire Killers’ and it made me deeply ashamed that my beautiful, talented sister who has struggled with her sexuality but become the LGBT officer, then the president of her student’s union, had to be hurt by a society that I’ve allowed to be like this.

Boycott is the minimum action – I hope to do more.

George // Posted 16 March 2009 at 10:55 am

Boycott?! That implies that I was going to see the bloody thing in the first place.

They’re just embarassingly awful – but I could do without their smug little faces peering out of every phone box and bus stop on my walk to work or uni, in order to advertise that godforsaken film. Ffs.

harpymarx // Posted 16 March 2009 at 11:23 am

I will watch the clip later as it won’t play on my ‘puter (maybe it knows it is so bad…)

Anyway, I saw the trailer for the new film, Lesbian Vampire Killers, and it seems worse than appalling. Why oh why oh why…..

I mean money pumped into this shlocker of a shocker when there are some damn good intelligent ideas/scripts for movies out therre and yet this rubbish gets funding probably on the backs that it is so-called comic wunderkinds, Horne and Corden….

Jane // Posted 16 March 2009 at 2:33 pm

“And it looks like Horne & Corden are the new Lucas & Walliams”

To be fair, Lucas and Walliams wrote most of their material if not all, while Horne and Corden are suffering from the Tony Hancock syndrome. Hancock fired his two talented writers Galton and Simpson and decided to write his own shows, being so talented and all. Alas, he found writing jokes is actually quite hard and requires annoying stuff like A Punchline and Comic Timing.

Aimee // Posted 16 March 2009 at 4:26 pm

I don’t think that David Walliams CARES how much aggro he has caused breastfeeding mothers with his pathetic sketch. I hate them so SO much. Not only does is rely on rehashing exactly the same sketch over and over and over again when it wasn’t even particularly funny in the first place, the whole thing is reliant on taking the piss out of marginalisaed sections of society. I just hate it so SO much. My dad used to make me sit through it and i’d be like “why the hell are you laughing at this tripe?”… the portrayal of women in these godawful comedies is horrible. The breastfeeding thing for a start… I mean… it’s not like we just whip them out! It takes courage to breastfeed in public because of shit like this!

Gahhh i’m sorry my little Britain rant is so off topic, but I hate it! It’s so offensive…and it breeds crap like the above video, because people lap it up. Mostly because they can watch it and it doesn’t require them to use an ounce of brain power.

Anna // Posted 16 March 2009 at 9:16 pm

I forgot to mention in my comment that when called out on their tedious, hateful attitudes, they said it was “irony”. That all forgiving term.. It’s not irony. It’s cheap abuse for laughs. And it doesn’t even get them.

Not only that, the sketch show is effing *terrible*. My dear boyfriend kept switching to it in the breaks of South Park and in all fairness I was pissing myself laughing at it, because it was just so genuinely terrible – I couldn’t help myself at the fact that people had *written* this, and *acted* (I use the term loosely) this, and *approved* this to go out – and thought it was funny? What the hell were they mainlining at the time? No actual jokes (unless you count – oh my god – ..MEN drawing a PENIS on a CHALKBOARD. in front of a class full of BOYS. then explaining what the bits of the PENIS were.. oh god oh christ oh why), canned laughter ad nauseam at will, and tired offensive homophobic/misogynistic dogma. It’s kinda tragic, really.

Kez // Posted 17 March 2009 at 9:29 am

Aimee – no, I don’t suppose DW could care less about the sensibilities of breastfeeding mothers or anyone else, though weirdly, from interviews with him I don’t actually think he wants to be perceived as an insensitive guy. Which is ironic, as Little Britain’s “humour” consists almost entirely of jokes at the expense of “chavs”, people with disabilities, the incontinent, etc. (The latter sketch, for those fortunate enough not to have seen it, was one of the most pointlessly offensive and unfunny things I have ever seen on TV, the apparent joke deriving from a woman being uncontrollably incontinent of urine in public places. I don’t think even LB’s main audience of teenage boys laughed at that one – I can’t imagine who would find it funny.)

Posie Rider // Posted 19 March 2009 at 10:06 pm

The whole thing is bad. You’re right girls boycott is not enough! Let’s all complain to the BBC. Here’s the link:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/complaints_stage1.shtml

We can’t let people get away with it! I did the same thing when the sexist ports presenter Chris Hollins (BBC) kept makign sexist digs to the lovely Sian on Breakfast News. I didn’t get the response I wanted but it was ACKNOWLEGED none the less.

Karrigan // Posted 20 March 2009 at 6:45 pm

I’m also surprised that Kathy Burke was involved in that.

If anyone wants good BBC (radio) sketch type comedy, try to track down Laura Solon’s ‘Talking and Not Talking’.

Petey Lu // Posted 21 March 2009 at 1:27 am

I want to enjoy H&C so much as I love G&S (sorry but I do). It is a dissapointing effort however, relying on gross characters and ‘shocking’ comedy. Most likely they intend to be offensive to promote a fake persona as ‘bad boys’.

I will be going to see lesbian vampire killers as I think it looks rather interesting (I may of course be dissapointed again)

CJ // Posted 26 March 2009 at 4:16 pm

This has gone out of proportion, every sketch show will have somthing offensive/rude in it, it’s the culture (unfortunatly) we have commenced too…

Although, i find H&C a downfall from Gavin and stacey, i will be continueing to watch the series, it’s practically simple people…

If you don’t like it don’t watch it.

Karen // Posted 1 April 2009 at 10:16 pm

I’m a woman and I have breasts and last time I checked I’m entitled to my opinion, and I think breast-feeding in public is disgusting and this sketch is funny. I’m tired of the logic that:

1. All mothers are women.

2. Feminism is about women.

Therefore

3. Feminism is about mothers.

When did feminism stop representing all women and start only being about those who have children? Equal rights for all of us hey, as long as we want to get paid time off work to sit in cafes and pull our breasts out because it’s oh so natural…

FJ // Posted 2 April 2009 at 9:55 am

Karen, well said. I am a childfree woman and I am sick of feminism being hijacked for ‘mother’s rights’.

Kez // Posted 2 April 2009 at 10:03 am

Wow, Karen. That was a nasty little rant. I think you’ll find that feminism is about a lot more than the issues affecting mothers – in fact, many women who are mothers often feel seriously sidelined by mainstream feminism. Even, dare I say it, on this very site, where not all bloggers/commenters have always been particularly supportive of breastfeeding issues…

I’m glad you think the sketch is funny – the show has been fairly universally panned, so I’m sure the boys involved will be delighted to hear that someone enjoyed it, though it does sound a little like you have your own agenda in claiming to have found it so hilarious. I’m not sure why you have such a problem with breastfeeding in public (as an aside, it rarely means “pulling your breasts out” in an obvious way – it’s usually possible to breastfeed discreetly, and in fact you yourself have probably seen many women breastfeeding without even realising it). Perhaps you believe mothers of babies should never leave the house? Because that’s the alternative. If you don’t like it…. don’t look.

Happily for most of us, the law is not on your side in this matter. But it’s attitudes like yours which contribute to the woeful breastfeeding rates in this country, which have a knock-on effect on the health of both mothers and children, and hence on costs for the NHS. I’m guessing that’s not a concern of yours, though. Sure, you’re entitled to your opinion, and to enjoy watching Horne & Corden, and equally I’m entitled to breastfeed my baby wherever I damn well like, and not to waste my time on crappy television. So, yay!

Jess McCabe // Posted 2 April 2009 at 10:18 am

Karen, FJ – I find that attitude really hard to understand. What’s feminism actually for if it’s not for fighting for the rights of all women?

It’s really bemusing to me. If breastfeeding isn’t your issue you want to particularly campaign on, then fair enough I guess. But why get annoyed when other feminists are active on breastfeeding?

I don’t think feminism can be successful based on each person just caring about how gender-based/gender-inflected oppression specifically affects them, let alone if we’re prepared to, sorry, but tred all over another set of women who are addressing how it affects them in their life.

Anna // Posted 2 April 2009 at 11:00 am

Feminism is just as much about me as any other woman I know, and I don’t really ever want kids..

Jess McCabe // Posted 2 April 2009 at 11:07 am

Anna – like I said earlier – paying attention to issues relating to breastfeeding mothers doesn’t mean that anyone else’s issues are excluded.

Really trying hard to see where this reaction comes from, but I don’t get it.

Anne Onne // Posted 2 April 2009 at 11:32 am

Karen, try out the logic that:

1) Feminism is about all women. All. Even the ones nobody likes, even the ones some people don’t see as ‘real women’.

2) Most women have breasts.

3) Breasts evolved to lactate. Despite what society tells us about them being all for male pleasure and all.

4) Breast milk is nourishing for babies. Doesn’t mean that they have to drink it, but it’s an option.

5) Many women have children. Women who have children should be allowed to choose how best to feed their children.

6) Women who wish to breastfeed their children should be allowed to do so without shame or guilt.

7) Context is everything.

People who make fun of a normal, natural process do so to shame those that do it, and imply that the process itself is shameful or disgusting. They’re not laughing with women about the problems of breastfeeding, they’re saying ‘haha! BOOBIES! Errrr breastfeeding is gross! Breasts are for men, duh!’.

It’s ironic that a feminist site might have literally hundreds (seriously, check them out, hundreds!) of posts not about breastfeeding or motherhood, and instead of commenting on those, the ‘I don’t give a crap about women not like me’ brigade will pick those where mothers’ issues are mentioned to spew their tirades.

I support the right of childfree women to not bother about what they see as unimportant issues that affect other women (much as though I believe that being a feminist means not ignoring issues just because they don’t affect you), because everybody deserves to pick how to spend their limited energy and resources.

But insisting nobody ever talks about it because you don’t care about it? Not cool. It doesn’t take having kids to realise all womens issues deserve attention. Not just the ones one personally benefits by.

Regardless of whether all of us have kids, we all have a mother (yes, even adopted people or orphans or people who hate their parents had/have a mother), and the issues that affected her, made her life difficult, must be addressed. It doesn’t take having children, or even liking children to realise people deserve respect. Assuming anyone who cares about breastfeeding must have kids is like assuming only women should care about feminism, or only POC about racism, only LGBTQI people about homophobia or transphobia, only disabled people about ableism, etc.

So I’m calling bull on the ‘but I’m childfree therefore shut up about mothering already’. It’s perfectly possible to not want to have children and not act like a douchebag who just doesn’t give a fuck about anybody else’s rights but their own.

You’re entitled to your opinions, undoubtedly. And others are entitled to call you out on opinions that are sel-centred and privileged*, and point out that all sorts of women’s issues being addressed isn’t feminism being hijacked, it’s feminism for everyone. Shit like this is precisely why so many smart, knowledgeable women who want equality won’t call themselves feminists, because some people who use the label want feminism to be all about them. It’s about you, sure, but as much as it’s about you, it’s about women of colour, or mothers, or lesbians, or trans women, or female immigrants, or sex workers.

*( Not to imply that being childfree is a privilege overall or without social stigma. In this case, never having to worry about feeding a child is a privilege because one never has to think about how she will feed, what people will think, if people will stare/ask her to leave/etc…)

Cruella // Posted 2 April 2009 at 11:41 am

When I used to work in the city every time we had a meeting about gender equality they went on and on about working mums and how they needed more flexible hours. It made me really angry because I didn’t have kids and was working longer hours than everyone else in the office, guys included, but still getting less pay and less promotions.

But the thing is that the people doing this were not and are not feminists – they are pay gap apologists. I have had the same off Tessa Jowell at a rather memorable Fawcett Society press launch – going on about how women need better child care to get on in life – which can be really frustrating for women who are being held back not by motherhood but by outright misogyny. But I don’t think anyone on here thinks women are held back because of motherhood. In fact I think the opposite – that poor treatment of mothers springs from misogyny.

Kez // Posted 2 April 2009 at 11:48 am

I don’t get it either. Some of you seem to be saying that feminism should only address issues which affect you directly, or perhaps that the F Word should only run pieces in which you have a direct interest? So if you’re a white heterosexual woman, feminism should therefore pay no attention to concerns of women of different races or sexualities, because those concerns don’t affect you?

It’s up to you which issues you choose to campaign on, but please don’t assume your own concerns are the only ones worthy of attention. It’s OK for feminists to campaign on abortion, but not on issues affecting mothers and children? Is that not a bit unfair? I’ve never personally had or needed an abortion (for instance), but I don’t therefore think that particular issue is an irrelevant one to me, because it affects many other women and, as a feminist, that makes it a concern of mine too.

Sarah // Posted 2 April 2009 at 11:58 am

So much of it comes down to a culture of objectifying breasts. To some it is okay to stare at them or ‘appreciate glamour models’ but suddenly when they are used for the purpose intended, suddenly they seem ‘disgusting’. It just seems as if there is a cultural imbalance at times.

I did breast feed as I believe that it was easy, eco friendly and the best thing for my child. I did it in public, but equally as it was a great bonding things for me and my child it was a more private sharing moment, so covering up suited up us best.

i appreciate that some find is problematic to watch, but it is a loaded issue.

Sabre // Posted 2 April 2009 at 12:10 pm

@ Karen and FJ

If you do not want to be a mother please do not disparage the rights of women who do/are. Not every woman will be a mother but every human being has or had a mother. Even if mothers rights don’t affect you they will certainly have affected your own mother or someone you care about. Perhaps you could put your disgust and feelings of sickness aside in respect of this fact?

Anna // Posted 2 April 2009 at 12:11 pm

Aye Jess, sorry – it was a vaguely sarky reply to Karen. Probably wasn’t the clearest or best thing I could come up with, really should refrain from posting as soon as I wake up (now there’s dedication) – I am of course aware of the highly intersectional nature of feminism, and how it covers pretty much everything women – breastfeeding being one part of it, natch.. and that I find even though I personally don’t want children it doesn’t mean I don’t care about the rights of mothers *to* breastfeed as they please, which is why this dross annoys me too, I think.

I think I used the word intersectional in the right context there – feel free to pull me up on it if I didn’t :)

Anna // Posted 2 April 2009 at 1:06 pm

Bah – Kez said it all 100x more articulately than I!

Sarah Jolene Jenikins // Posted 26 April 2009 at 1:58 pm

Hello Ladies

as a breast feeder myself for over 10 years i must say i did not find the sketch offensive or sexist in any context, in all honesty i found it quite funny along with the rest of the show. Now dont get me wrong each to their own but i feel as-if some fellow women who watched this are just looking at stuff to have a rant about and , the fact of the matter is this show is a comedy show and in todays age i feel that we should be able to laugh and enjoy together light hearted comedy, i mean come on the sketch has obviously been blown out of proportion for a certain reason! i.e laughs? at the end of the day horne and corden have just seen another opportunity to make a laugh of a day to day thing to make a funny sketch out of, you can easily tell its not been made to offend!just like many other things. I also believe it is not as Anne said ” People who make fun of a normal, natural process do so to shame those that do it, and imply that the process itself is shameful or disgusting. They’re not laughing with women about the problems of breastfeeding, they’re saying ‘haha! BOOBIES! Errrr breastfeeding is gross! Breasts are for men, duh!’ i think this is taking the situatuion all to far i really dont think they boys were trying to make fun of anyone!

Patrick Brown // Posted 17 May 2009 at 10:31 am

Feeling alone in my despair for British comedy, it was refreshing to find a site which has pretty much already encapsulated my thoughts about this show. Gavin and Stacey was Funny in places.

Horne and Corden appear to have been extracted from the within the grain at the base of the barrel from whence Little Britain had been previously painstakingly scraped.

Did the BBC not take on board the satire about this very type of puerile shite portrayed by Ricky Gervais and broadcast by THEM in Extras!?

It’s a funny old world comedy. Not only Kathy Burke but Rob Brydon, co creator of the comic work of genius that was Human Remains has direct association with both this and its cringe worthy, fit for the abattoir, stablemate Little Britain

I think it’s all down to filthy lucre and the fact that modern LCD Britain just isn’t ready for proper comedy. One only has to look at the initial pulling of Peep Show, its subsequent resurrection and continued poor viewing figures to realise that comic writing genius is no guarantee of popularity, although going down the US comedy route of knee jerk, emperors new clothes, laugh track, unadulterated wank, sadly is. (Larry David and Matt Groening being rare exceptions to the rule).

Col Patrick Rogers // Posted 10 November 2009 at 4:06 pm

Umm where do i begin? Everythink i hate about these two has already been written above but i just want to say what i think anyway.

To be honest this isn’t comedy. Making fun of disabled people, breastfeeding or making homophobic sketches is sick and wrong. This style of comedy belongs in the 70s and 80s not in 2009. I have my issues with Little Britiain too though i am disgusted with myself for having laughing at some of the ‘sketches’ when i was younger i hate it now and never watch it. Horne & Corden have picked up from where Walliams & Lucas left off and i fear a second series maybe on it’s way. I tried to watch it but there was nothing funny even the sketches that were not stereotypical were like cast off’s from The Office. I don’t remember the breastfeeding sketch and i am glad i have never seen it but the part with the disabled child and the electric chair was just sick and wrong.

James Corden is the one i detest the most with his constant jibes at Hollyoaks cast then prancing about waving his belly making fat jokes. The cast from Hollyoaks are not even the same people from when he was on the show, but does anyone actually remember him or was he that an awful character that he was been blocked out of memory.

earwicga // Posted 10 November 2009 at 7:30 pm

I’ve watched the clip above a couple of times and don’t get the outrage. But saying that, I guess I should say I have never watched the programme, so perhaps in the context of the whole programme it was offensive?!?!?

I watched a few episodes of Gavin and Stacey, but not in it’s entirity. I did find it funny as I thought they were intentionally presenting stereotypes AS the humour – not using the tired old stereotypes instead of characterisation. I especially laughed at the Welsh stereotypes as from living in Wales it is obvious what is stereotypical and I thought the programme took the piss out of it. Perhaps I was being too clever for my own good and Gavin and Stacey wasn’t designed in this mode.

As for breastfeeding – I have said this before and been shot down in flames (so feel free to join in – it is water off a ducks back), I don’t believe breastfeeding is for all – fair play to those who wish to and obviously they should be able to feed anywhere (the feeders at the wedding seemed eminently sensible!). But, I feel the breastfeeding campaign now borders on tyrany – if one doesn’t breast feed then the campaign’s message is you are not doing the best for your child. There is evidence that contradicts the breast is best campaign (and yes Anji – I do include Hannah Rosin), and I felt fine choosing not to bottle feed my babies – but I know that a lot of women who have had horrendous beginnings to motherhood as breastfeeding obviously wasn’t for them but they persevered out of the overwhelming guilt the breast is best campaign puts on them. Totally not fair!

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